An Interesting Review of Horizon Jet Rates - Page 2

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deltajuliet , 04-13-2016 09:13 PM

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Very cool OP, thanks for taking the time to do that research and put it together. Historical pay rates are something that have always interested me. In particular, if anyone ever had information on pre-Deregulation pay scales, I'd love to see them. For example, how much did a Pan Am 747 Captain make adjusted for inflation in 1970? Must've been a lot. Many of us have heard the "Cadillac a month," but that's a little vague.

Not Horizon (or NWA) specific, but made this post a little while back:

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Originally Posted by John Carr
Forgive the formatting. UAL C2000

...At contract's end 2004 IIRC/max rates each seat;
737-200 FO-154.75 CA-226.58
Airbus FO-173.48 CA-253.99
767 FO-180.91 CA-264.87
744 FO-243.03 CA-355.82
So adjusted for inflation, the highest hourly rate post-1978 was at United and about $446/hour. Like Gone Flying and others, I'd love to know more about pre-Deregulation if anyone has that data. Numbers I've heard range from half a million to $926,000 (thanks Phoenix). But if someone has substantive data, please please share. If we're going by the "Cadillac standard," a new CTS runs a little over $45,000, so you'd be looking at ~$550,000 a year.

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Originally Posted by Mesabah
You need to look at historical pay as a percentage of revenue, otherwise you won't know how much the company is stealing from you. Historically, pilot pay was 10-15% or revenue, today, at companies like Delta, pay is 3-4% of revenue. Thus, pay has to go up around 500% for you to be making a fair wage that has been with most pilots through the decades. In comparison, top executive pay is up 4000+% over the same time period.
This is also a smart post.

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Da40Pilot , 04-13-2016 09:15 PM

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Everything that comes out of Alaska's mouth is a lie anyway.

Oh Snap!!!!!!! #thuglife

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snackysmores , 04-13-2016 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Da40Pilot

Oh Snap!!!!!!! #thuglife

It's way easier to prove me right than wrong.

When you make "hand shake deals" with Alaska, you get what you pay for.

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lowflying , 04-13-2016 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by greenroute

Well the same rate, but less min guarantee for everyone. > Less min guarantee than the entire industry, actually. Which is going to hurt reserves the most since they never fly over minimum and can't pick up trips.

W7f ? Q gets the exact same guarantee we have now, jet gets 75 which is +/- 1 most regionals and reserves get 73 with 12 days off which is equal to what we had before.

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Turboprop , 04-13-2016 10:15 PM

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Also lets break this down:

· Fly Q400s now and new E175 jets in 2017. FALSE. 4 year seat lock on Q400

· Upgrade to PIC in less than three years. If you were hired 3 years ago!

· Use leading-edge technology that you won’t find with other regional airlines like the Rockwell Head-up Guidance System. Only if you're a Captain, as an FO you will stare at clouds in front of you. Jets will not have a hud.

· May be based in Anchorage, Boise, Medford, Portland, Seattle, or Spokane. One year of reserve in any of these

· Fly through some of the most striking and challenging parts of the country. With the worst overnight hotels imaginable

Plus, if you’re interested and qualified, you’ll be guaranteed an interview with Alaska Airlines. I shouldn't have to say anything about this. Define "qualified". Everything that comes out of Alaska's mouth is a lie anyway.

Thank you Snackysmore for this info.. i do see that its not a good option to not even apply for this job.. thanks again.

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overcast , 04-26-2017 07:31 PM

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To put the pay in prospective, this came from King5 today:

Quote: New numbers show households making $72,000 in King and Snohomish counties are considered ‘low income.'

The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development released its revised income limits, which can determine who qualifies for affordable and subsidized housing, such as Section 8.

The $72,000 number is for a family of four. The low-income limit is 80 percent of the median income in those counties. Very low income limits, which are 50 percent of median income, are $48,000. Extremely low-income is $28,800. That’s 30 percent of median income. End quote.

So after spending a fortune on college and flight training your before-tax earnings qualify you for section 8 (and food stamps) as extremely low income earner. Can you imagine when you walk -in uniform- from the light rail to your section8 projects on MLK or Rainier Avenue?

72000 is a struggle in the Pacific Northwest for a family of 4. Rent is outrageous, new home prices out of control, taxes are high even though WA has no state income tax.

When are the airlines (all of them first couple of years, regionals the most) going to realize that their wages have nothing to do anymore with living life and paying bills? Yes, they can't find pilots. No wonder, nobody can afford to work for those wages, and nobody is recommending anyone to become a pilot anymore.

I would love to come back to the Pacific Northwest to work, I still live there. but to put food on the table I am working a little farther (few thousand miles) away from home.

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PanRobert , 04-27-2017 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by overcast

I think they know already. But people come to work. Airlines understand AOG and that's about it. ???

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trip , 04-27-2017 08:05 PM

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Airlines understand AOG and that's about it. ??

gets it!

If the airplanes are moving there is no problem with pay.