Wow. 8 to the ER.

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Yup. and given the last 2 class drops I think that puts them still around -120 on the NYC 7ER B. Not to mention they will bid to ATL base on the next AEs. gonna be a rough summer...

So what would the outlook be for a new hire with the possibility at 7ER in NYC? Would it be advised as a commuter?


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Depends on from where. I've done it for two years at around 96%

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Anyone know what went junior or around that area? Was it all 717/MD88? Mine starts with a 2 and I'm class after this drop

Refer to what CX said. He's not alone. I commute to NYC but I'm at 70% and hold an OK line. Came in the category much better, but over the last year have been moving backwards due to those junior to me bidding off to other ER bases and/or other planes at other bases.

If you go to ICREW and look at 7ER B reserves available (Schedules>Open Time Menu>Pilot Reserve Levels) we are generally always in the black - means we can't drop trips and other things. Talk to your mentor about the sched aspect of that.

Last summer was lots of reroutes on the domestic side. Something to a level we hadn't seen. Int'l pretty much remains unscathed. A lot of our int'l routes are going to the 330. Also in NYC base our 767-400 are out of cabin mods, so they are flying back int'l now as well. Given our loss in int'l trips compared to previous years, I think we'll see the same or more amount of domestic trips this summer - so plan on it being rough, low reserves available, no opportunity to drop trips and many reroutes (especially if your trip touches ATL).

Great plane, but unless you are <50% in the seat on the B side it will be a rough time over the summer. This of course is comparatively speaking and 7ER parochial. Our bros on the airbus, 737,717 out of NYC have it worse. One leg a day transcons are not that terrible. But those are getting tough to bid in to, especially commutable on both ends. Of course network reserves the right to change things at anytime, so this could all be different 2 weeks from now. JMHO.

Thank you for the detailed response. I’m not on property yet, thinking about my initial bid next week. I have a lot to think about.


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With NYC being so short on that fleet, it would not surprise me to see the plug of the airline get the 7ER. It's happened before, and I wouldn't have changed a thing.

A-Ha. Ok then, well there have been several posts in here about that. You can dig thru them, but I think what you are loking for as a new hire would be to gain seniority in category and seat as fast as possible. My recommendation would be NYC 737. I think you'll see the quickest, all things being equal, seniority progression there on that fleet than any other base and plane.

If you live in a base, and can hold a plane there, then that would be my first choice. Absent of that, NYC 737 is a good option. JMHO.

That's awesome! I really do love the airplane. Just a phenomenal machine. The NYC crews are awesome as well. However, I'm at a crossroads. Time remaining, seniority progression versus staying on a cool jet and maintaining a status quo. I like my status quo, but I'm going to move over to the the NB "A" side. I'm jumping on the NYC hand grenade. I'd love to worm my way into a cushy 330B or something like that in NYC, but I can't hold it right now. So in the interim, I'd forgo my somewhat reasonable lifestyle as a 7ER B and go for it on the NB A side. Giddy-up!