News on the new Skywest pay package
05-31-2017, 09:45 AM
#112
Endless Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: E190 FO
Posts: 386
Originally Posted by hawk21
Curious if we hear anything good tomorrow considering it's SAPA conference call day and "early June".
05-31-2017, 10:36 AM
#114
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 4,203
Originally Posted by WesternSkies
A conference call for 4250 people.
Let that sink in.
If only there could be a modern forum where all voices could be heard....
Let that sink in.
If only there could be a modern forum where all voices could be heard....
P.S. were at 4300 pilots now....
05-31-2017, 11:38 AM
#115
Dumb Pilot
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: Broke
Posts: 784
Originally Posted by amcnd
The most they get is 90~ people.... bet the average is closer to 40... shows you why even local domicile sapa reps get 20% of the pilots vote.
P.S. were at 4300 pilots now....
P.S. were at 4300 pilots now....
That 4300 pilots has people on it that won't start class for months. I think they need to take it back to the time when you had to start class to be on the list.
05-31-2017, 11:47 AM
#116
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,480
Originally Posted by Blackwing
Respectfully, you don't know what you're talking about. I came from Mesa and yes, the pay sucks, but there are facets of their work agreement that are better than SkyWest's BECAUSE they are ALPA. A short list:
- A decent PBS system. Mesa uses the same PBS software that Delta and Hawaiian use, so it's already been pretty thoroughly vetted. It actually honors seniority, doesn't pull the "replaced/not awarded due to line constraints" b.s. ours does, and if you tell it to stop adding trips after it reaches the credit window, it actually stops. I've only scratched the surface here but it's WAY better than the system we have.
- Mesa pilots are paid block or better, not this historical credit or better scheme. Yes, they lack many of the pay protections but if mainline says a leg takes 2:12, you're getting at least 2:12, regardless of whether previous crews have flown it in an average of 1:48.
- We get 5 golden days a year here, Mesa pilots get 3 golden days EVERY MONTH.
- Lastly, and to your last point, I can think of only one or two pilots who were fired during my time there, and several more who got a slap on the wrist for stuff that would've gotten them fired here...all because they had ALPA lawyers available to them with just one phone call.
05-31-2017, 11:56 AM
#117
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Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 203
Originally Posted by Is offline
Everyone has given up on sapa. They communicate nothing to the pilot group. They don't even let the pilots know that they are in negotiations. It's like a bad joke.
That 4300 pilots has people on it that won't start class for months. I think they need to take it back to the time when you had to start class to be on the list.
That 4300 pilots has people on it that won't start class for months. I think they need to take it back to the time when you had to start class to be on the list.
05-31-2017, 12:15 PM
#118
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,480
Originally Posted by Is offline
Everyone has given up on sapa. They communicate nothing to the pilot group. They don't even let the pilots know that they are in negotiations. It's like a bad joke.
That 4300 pilots has people on it that won't start class for months. I think they need to take it back to the time when you had to start class to be on the list.
That 4300 pilots has people on it that won't start class for months. I think they need to take it back to the time when you had to start class to be on the list.
05-31-2017, 02:14 PM
#120
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,480
Originally Posted by amcnd
Everyone on there is in class for at least a week. Takes a week to get them loaded on the list.. its when there "pilot badge" is generated I've been told..
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