The Forbidden Discussion - Unions & Skywest
06-02-2017, 12:36 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
If you work for XJT...
If SKW voted in ALPA, that would open up the *possibility* of a common-carrier petition, which might *possibly* succeed. Since XJT is...
a) More senior longevity-wise and
b) Possibly headed to the same place comair went
It's possible that some of their folks could have an ulterior motive, especially if you're a lifer with no other six-figure skill sets.
I voted yes last time, but if there were a next time I'd probably need to see some sort of independent analysis of the likely-hood of common-carrier and the ramifications before I decided.
If SKW voted in ALPA, that would open up the *possibility* of a common-carrier petition, which might *possibly* succeed. Since XJT is...
a) More senior longevity-wise and
b) Possibly headed to the same place comair went
It's possible that some of their folks could have an ulterior motive, especially if you're a lifer with no other six-figure skill sets.
I voted yes last time, but if there were a next time I'd probably need to see some sort of independent analysis of the likely-hood of common-carrier and the ramifications before I decided.
06-02-2017, 01:36 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I think the ulterior motive would be to have a job. I can only imagine the frustration if your boss growing the business, hiring pilots, while your seniority list shrinks and your airplanes get sent off to other properties. I think the motive would be, as with all unions, job security.
06-02-2017, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Entirely understandable, but I would understandably need to know the ramifications of a seniority integration on my family (I don't really care when or where I fly, but my family cares when and how often I'm home and when we take vacation).
06-03-2017, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
If you work for XJT...
If SKW voted in ALPA, that would open up the *possibility* of a common-carrier petition, which might *possibly* succeed. Since XJT is...
a) More senior longevity-wise and
b) Possibly headed to the same place comair went
It's possible that some of their folks could have an ulterior motive, especially if you're a lifer with no other six-figure skill sets.
I voted yes last time, but if there were a next time I'd probably need to see some sort of independent analysis of the likely-hood of common-carrier and the ramifications before I decided.
If SKW voted in ALPA, that would open up the *possibility* of a common-carrier petition, which might *possibly* succeed. Since XJT is...
a) More senior longevity-wise and
b) Possibly headed to the same place comair went
It's possible that some of their folks could have an ulterior motive, especially if you're a lifer with no other six-figure skill sets.
I voted yes last time, but if there were a next time I'd probably need to see some sort of independent analysis of the likely-hood of common-carrier and the ramifications before I decided.
Last edited by ecam; 06-03-2017 at 09:49 AM. Reason: Kicked the hornet nest harder than I intended to.
06-03-2017, 04:40 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by DirkDiggler
They did a survey of XJT pilots like a year ago and 75% of them were looking to get out over the next 2 years. Very very few lifers. Nobody will be left to give a crap. Including myself, I'm already on my way out to a three letter gov agency. And I have a business / six figure skill set / real job in addition. I started this thread out of morbid curiosity. I have not yet seen the answer as to why.
Does the company protects you the pilots from Unions and because of that is doing you a favor? do you really think they care about YOU? Nah....I don't think that is why they devote a whole section on their site on why not to accept a union. At the same time they pay Sapa and fool the pilots to believe they have some form of representation.
Why is it that we have to accept that Expressjet has a better 401K match compensation than what we have at Skywest? Did they not buy Expressjet with the money we helped the company to make?
Why would we accept Inc. compensating Expressjet pilots in any way better than us?
06-04-2017, 08:06 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by HermannGraf
Why, because our company has devoted a lot to prevent that and they have manage to brainwash a lot of pilots or gain from many anti-union personalities joining the ranks.
Does the company protects you the pilots from Unions and because of that is doing you a favor? do you really think they care about YOU? Nah....I don't think that is why they devote a whole section on their site on why not to accept a union. At the same time they pay Sapa and fool the pilots to believe they have some form of representation.
Why is it that we have to accept that Expressjet has a better 401K match compensation than what we have at Skywest? Did they not buy Expressjet with the money we helped the company to make?
Why would we accept Inc. compensating Expressjet pilots in any way better than us?
Does the company protects you the pilots from Unions and because of that is doing you a favor? do you really think they care about YOU? Nah....I don't think that is why they devote a whole section on their site on why not to accept a union. At the same time they pay Sapa and fool the pilots to believe they have some form of representation.
Why is it that we have to accept that Expressjet has a better 401K match compensation than what we have at Skywest? Did they not buy Expressjet with the money we helped the company to make?
Why would we accept Inc. compensating Expressjet pilots in any way better than us?
06-07-2017, 06:00 AM
#27
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Joining ALPA is CHEAP.
AND…you instantly get access to their VAST resources and expertise.
Funny how a lot of Skywest pilots look forward to the payoff at the "next level", but are unwilling to join their brothers in the fight for better working conditions and pay.
They want it all for free.
You guys need to get ALPA onboard, or ALPA carriers should look elsewhere when it comes time to hire.
There are a lot of good folks at Skywest that want to do the right thing. I hope you can find a majority soon to get this to happen.
AND…you instantly get access to their VAST resources and expertise.
Funny how a lot of Skywest pilots look forward to the payoff at the "next level", but are unwilling to join their brothers in the fight for better working conditions and pay.
They want it all for free.
You guys need to get ALPA onboard, or ALPA carriers should look elsewhere when it comes time to hire.
There are a lot of good folks at Skywest that want to do the right thing. I hope you can find a majority soon to get this to happen.
06-07-2017, 10:37 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
The next time I interview a SkyWest pilot, I don't give him the job.
06-07-2017, 02:43 PM
#29
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In 2010 the Nation Mediation Board changed the rules to show that to win representation you must get a majority of all votes cast and a missing vote is no longer counted as a "no" vote. It is a lot easier to win a representation election now then it was prior to 2010. But you still need signed authorization cards from 50% of the class to submit the petition to the NMB to get an official vote going.
http://www.nmb.gov/documents/press-c...ion-manual.pdf
http://www.nmb.gov/documents/press-c...ion-manual.pdf
06-07-2017, 02:52 PM
#30
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Originally Posted by untied
Joining ALPA is CHEAP.
AND…you instantly get access to their VAST resources and expertise.
Funny how a lot of Skywest pilots look forward to the payoff at the "next level", but are unwilling to join their brothers in the fight for better working conditions and pay.
They want it all for free.
You guys need to get ALPA onboard, or ALPA carriers should look elsewhere when it comes time to hire.
There are a lot of good folks at Skywest that want to do the right thing. I hope you can find a majority soon to get this to happen.
AND…you instantly get access to their VAST resources and expertise.
Funny how a lot of Skywest pilots look forward to the payoff at the "next level", but are unwilling to join their brothers in the fight for better working conditions and pay.
They want it all for free.
You guys need to get ALPA onboard, or ALPA carriers should look elsewhere when it comes time to hire.
There are a lot of good folks at Skywest that want to do the right thing. I hope you can find a majority soon to get this to happen.
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