The New "New" Pay Talks - 2018 Edition
02-13-2018, 06:39 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by amcnd
So let’s say extra 1hr difference between credit and block on my last local... that $116 dollars. Or we match Endeavor and i get just credit that $182 dollars more. i would take the match over block. Then if i flew block that’s another $144... Straight pay raise please...
02-13-2018, 06:55 PM
#32
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I have to say, I like this side of amcnd better..realizing and admitting that we deserve to be compensated equal to that of the rest of the regional industry. It’s nice to see him not fighting us every step of the way and defend the company when they low ball us.
I hope you keep this attitude when it comes time to cast your vote.
As far as block or better. Skywest has no control over the market block time. That is given by our major partners. However, Skywest could give us a 10% raise and then reduce credit by 9% to settle at the 1% that we know and love. Or worse yet..offer us another lousy 1% and reduce credit 1% to completely negate the raise. Credit makes our entire pay scale illegitimate and unmeasurable.
I hope you keep this attitude when it comes time to cast your vote.
As far as block or better. Skywest has no control over the market block time. That is given by our major partners. However, Skywest could give us a 10% raise and then reduce credit by 9% to settle at the 1% that we know and love. Or worse yet..offer us another lousy 1% and reduce credit 1% to completely negate the raise. Credit makes our entire pay scale illegitimate and unmeasurable.
02-13-2018, 07:02 PM
#33
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I have 2 weeks vacation this fall. Block vs credit will not help me there. $144 Endeavor pay vs CRJ 200 base rate of $109 will effect my pay negatively... at 40 hrs thats $1400 difference.. im fine if 51% of the pilots want to get rid of block vs credit.. but will still be a joke at $109 a hr top pay vs $144.. no more selling out for some “gimmick”... having a solid pay rate can never hurt you. We have no control as pilots over block times..
02-13-2018, 07:04 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
I have to say, I like this side of amcnd better..realizing and admitting that we deserve to be compensated equal to that of the rest of the regional industry. It’s nice to see him not fighting us every step of the way and defend the company when they low ball us.
I hope you keep this attitude when it comes time to cast your vote.
As far as block or better. Skywest has no control over the market block time. That is given by our major partners. However, Skywest could give us a 10% raise and then reduce credit by 9% to settle at the 1% that we know and love. Or worse yet..offer us another lousy 1% and reduce credit 1% to completely negate the raise. Credit makes our entire pay scale illegitimate and unmeasurable.
I hope you keep this attitude when it comes time to cast your vote.
As far as block or better. Skywest has no control over the market block time. That is given by our major partners. However, Skywest could give us a 10% raise and then reduce credit by 9% to settle at the 1% that we know and love. Or worse yet..offer us another lousy 1% and reduce credit 1% to completely negate the raise. Credit makes our entire pay scale illegitimate and unmeasurable.
02-13-2018, 07:07 PM
#35
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Position: 737 FO
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Originally Posted by amcnd
I have 2 weeks vacation this fall. Block vs credit will not help me there. $144 Endeavor pay vs CRJ 200 base rate of $109 will effect my pay negatively... at 40 hrs thats $1400 difference.. im fine if 51% of the pilots want to get rid of block vs credit.. but will still be a joke at $109 a hr top pay vs $144.. no more selling out for some “gimmick”... having a solid pay rate can never hurt you. We have no control as pilots over block times..
02-13-2018, 07:24 PM
#37
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Exactly! We should have block or better as a starting point just to make our scale comparable to others.
I don’t think anyone is advocating just getting block or better.
Block or better plus industry leading pay should be how we BEGIN negotiations. If they aren’t interested simply walk away. I’m fine waiting 5 years (if I’m still here), but I know the company isn’t fine with it..they will have trouble filling classes long before I come crawling to them for more pay.
I don’t think anyone is advocating just getting block or better.
Block or better plus industry leading pay should be how we BEGIN negotiations. If they aren’t interested simply walk away. I’m fine waiting 5 years (if I’m still here), but I know the company isn’t fine with it..they will have trouble filling classes long before I come crawling to them for more pay.
02-13-2018, 08:24 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
Exactly! We should have block or better as a starting point just to make our scale comparable to others.
I don’t think anyone is advocating just getting block or better.
Block or better plus industry leading pay should be how we BEGIN negotiations. If they aren’t interested simply walk away. I’m fine waiting 5 years (if I’m still here), but I know the company isn’t fine with it..they will have trouble filling classes long before I come crawling to them for more pay.
I don’t think anyone is advocating just getting block or better.
Block or better plus industry leading pay should be how we BEGIN negotiations. If they aren’t interested simply walk away. I’m fine waiting 5 years (if I’m still here), but I know the company isn’t fine with it..they will have trouble filling classes long before I come crawling to them for more pay.
02-13-2018, 08:56 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by word302
If only our distinguished leader shared your sentiment. Sadly he will take whatever the company offers and then do his best to spin it. Hopefully enough people have finally learned their lesson. I doubt it unfortunately.
In 20 years nothing has changed.
02-13-2018, 10:56 PM
#40
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Originally Posted by Check Complete
That will never happen as our esteemed leader would lose the company’s support, because that’s who pays him to be their 110 hr/ mth mouthpiece, and have to fly. The BS proposal will be accepted and nothing will change, amcnd will do his happy dance that credit pay prevails. And we will be the source of embarrassment for our profession.
In 20 years nothing has changed.
In 20 years nothing has changed.
Sad but true.
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