Me too.....?
04-27-2018, 12:45 PM
#1
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04-27-2018, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bestglide
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...uring-layover/
I’m speechless....
I’m speechless....
I have no idea if any or all the allegations are true or not but I am certain she will not be employed here within 6 months.
04-27-2018, 07:34 PM
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"He drugged me."
1. What was the drug?
1a. Why don't you know?
1b. What do you think the drug might be? Why?
1c. Were you drinking that night? What? How much?
1d. Do you have a drinking problem? How often do you drink?
1e. What were you drinking? What was he drinking?
1f. If you were to learn that the records of the bar showed that you had X drinks, would you have any reason dispute that?
1g. If you drank X drinks, do you think that would make you drunk?
1h. Have you ever had X drinks in a single night before?
1i. Who paid for your drinks?
1j. If this wasn't a date why would he be paying for the drinks?
1k. Who paid for the tickets to the hockey game?
2. Where would he get the drug?
3. Wouldn't it be a great risk for a pilot to cross into Canada, and back, with a date-rape drug?
4. Isn't the minimum penalty for possession of Rohypnol going into Canada 1 year in prison?
5. Isn't the penalty for simple possession of Rohypnol in the US a maximum of 3 years under federal law? And more in some states?
6. Have you ever made accusations of sexual assault in the past?
"Skywest must pay"
7. Why do you think Skywest should have any liability?
8. Did you know the captain was married before you went on this date? Why did you go?
9. What could Skywest have done?
10. Should Skywest prohibit crew members from going out together on layovers?
11.Why do you want Skywest punished, but not the person you say raped you?
12. Why did you wait several days before making a police report?
13. Why did the Edmonton police refuse to make an arrest?
14. You said you knew immediately when you woke up that you had been raped and drugged; why did you not go to be tested? Rohypnol can be detected in the blood for 60 hours, why was none detected? Why did you wait over 60 hours to be tested?
15. You went to court to get a restraining order against the Captain? Why did the judge refuse to give you the order?
16. When the police did not have enough evidence to do anything, when the court refused your requests, when you failed to gather evidence of being drugged, why should Skywest punish the Captain when he claims your interaction was consensual?
1. What was the drug?
1a. Why don't you know?
1b. What do you think the drug might be? Why?
1c. Were you drinking that night? What? How much?
1d. Do you have a drinking problem? How often do you drink?
1e. What were you drinking? What was he drinking?
1f. If you were to learn that the records of the bar showed that you had X drinks, would you have any reason dispute that?
1g. If you drank X drinks, do you think that would make you drunk?
1h. Have you ever had X drinks in a single night before?
1i. Who paid for your drinks?
1j. If this wasn't a date why would he be paying for the drinks?
1k. Who paid for the tickets to the hockey game?
2. Where would he get the drug?
3. Wouldn't it be a great risk for a pilot to cross into Canada, and back, with a date-rape drug?
4. Isn't the minimum penalty for possession of Rohypnol going into Canada 1 year in prison?
5. Isn't the penalty for simple possession of Rohypnol in the US a maximum of 3 years under federal law? And more in some states?
6. Have you ever made accusations of sexual assault in the past?
"Skywest must pay"
7. Why do you think Skywest should have any liability?
8. Did you know the captain was married before you went on this date? Why did you go?
9. What could Skywest have done?
10. Should Skywest prohibit crew members from going out together on layovers?
11.Why do you want Skywest punished, but not the person you say raped you?
12. Why did you wait several days before making a police report?
13. Why did the Edmonton police refuse to make an arrest?
14. You said you knew immediately when you woke up that you had been raped and drugged; why did you not go to be tested? Rohypnol can be detected in the blood for 60 hours, why was none detected? Why did you wait over 60 hours to be tested?
15. You went to court to get a restraining order against the Captain? Why did the judge refuse to give you the order?
16. When the police did not have enough evidence to do anything, when the court refused your requests, when you failed to gather evidence of being drugged, why should Skywest punish the Captain when he claims your interaction was consensual?
04-27-2018, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Strenyakov
"He drugged me."
1. What was the drug?
1a. Why don't you know?
1b. What do you think the drug might be? Why?
1c. Were you drinking that night? What? How much?
1d. Do you have a drinking problem? How often do you drink?
1e. What were you drinking? What was he drinking?
1f. If you were to learn that the records of the bar showed that you had X drinks, would you have any reason dispute that?
1g. If you drank X drinks, do you think that would make you drunk?
1h. Have you ever had X drinks in a single night before?
1i. Who paid for your drinks?
1j. If this wasn't a date why would he be paying for the drinks?
1k. Who paid for the tickets to the hockey game?
2. Where would he get the drug?
3. Wouldn't it be a great risk for a pilot to cross into Canada, and back, with a date-rape drug?
4. Isn't the minimum penalty for possession of Rohypnol going into Canada 1 year in prison?
5. Isn't the penalty for simple possession of Rohypnol in the US a maximum of 3 years under federal law? And more in some states?
6. Have you ever made accusations of sexual assault in the past?
"Skywest must pay"
7. Why do you think Skywest should have any liability?
8. Did you know the captain was married before you went on this date? Why did you go?
9. What could Skywest have done?
10. Should Skywest prohibit crew members from going out together on layovers?
11.Why do you want Skywest punished, but not the person you say raped you?
12. Why did you wait several days before making a police report?
13. Why did the Edmonton police refuse to make an arrest?
14. You said you knew immediately when you woke up that you had been raped and drugged; why did you not go to be tested? Rohypnol can be detected in the blood for 60 hours, why was none detected? Why did you wait over 60 hours to be tested?
15. You went to court to get a restraining order against the Captain? Why did the judge refuse to give you the order?
16. When the police did not have enough evidence to do anything, when the court refused your requests, when you failed to gather evidence of being drugged, why should Skywest punish the Captain when he claims your interaction was consensual?
1. What was the drug?
1a. Why don't you know?
1b. What do you think the drug might be? Why?
1c. Were you drinking that night? What? How much?
1d. Do you have a drinking problem? How often do you drink?
1e. What were you drinking? What was he drinking?
1f. If you were to learn that the records of the bar showed that you had X drinks, would you have any reason dispute that?
1g. If you drank X drinks, do you think that would make you drunk?
1h. Have you ever had X drinks in a single night before?
1i. Who paid for your drinks?
1j. If this wasn't a date why would he be paying for the drinks?
1k. Who paid for the tickets to the hockey game?
2. Where would he get the drug?
3. Wouldn't it be a great risk for a pilot to cross into Canada, and back, with a date-rape drug?
4. Isn't the minimum penalty for possession of Rohypnol going into Canada 1 year in prison?
5. Isn't the penalty for simple possession of Rohypnol in the US a maximum of 3 years under federal law? And more in some states?
6. Have you ever made accusations of sexual assault in the past?
"Skywest must pay"
7. Why do you think Skywest should have any liability?
8. Did you know the captain was married before you went on this date? Why did you go?
9. What could Skywest have done?
10. Should Skywest prohibit crew members from going out together on layovers?
11.Why do you want Skywest punished, but not the person you say raped you?
12. Why did you wait several days before making a police report?
13. Why did the Edmonton police refuse to make an arrest?
14. You said you knew immediately when you woke up that you had been raped and drugged; why did you not go to be tested? Rohypnol can be detected in the blood for 60 hours, why was none detected? Why did you wait over 60 hours to be tested?
15. You went to court to get a restraining order against the Captain? Why did the judge refuse to give you the order?
16. When the police did not have enough evidence to do anything, when the court refused your requests, when you failed to gather evidence of being drugged, why should Skywest punish the Captain when he claims your interaction was consensual?
04-27-2018, 08:01 PM
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I know of a male flight attendant who made similar charges. He went out drinking with the CA and one of the female FAs and then all went back to his room. He fell asleep and woke up to see the CA and FA fooling around. They left.
The next morning he was not there at show time, did not answer the phone or his door. He finally went down stairs at departure time. He missed the flight. Later he was taking to the hotel van driver and suddenly made the claim that "maybe the captain drugged and raped me?" Van driver told him to go to the hospital to be tested, he didn't. The airline put him on the same flight then next morning to fly back to base.
The next morning the FA again was not in the lobby at show time and again came down at departure time, so he missed the flight again.
Does anyone believe he was raped by the Captain? The Captain was lucky to have spent the night with an alibi.
Once I hear someone say, "he drugged me," my credibility meter goes down by 95%. It sounds like a person who takes no personal responsibility for their own decisions. If they say, "I drank too much and this is what happened" I would tend to believe whatever comes next.
The next morning he was not there at show time, did not answer the phone or his door. He finally went down stairs at departure time. He missed the flight. Later he was taking to the hotel van driver and suddenly made the claim that "maybe the captain drugged and raped me?" Van driver told him to go to the hospital to be tested, he didn't. The airline put him on the same flight then next morning to fly back to base.
The next morning the FA again was not in the lobby at show time and again came down at departure time, so he missed the flight again.
Does anyone believe he was raped by the Captain? The Captain was lucky to have spent the night with an alibi.
Once I hear someone say, "he drugged me," my credibility meter goes down by 95%. It sounds like a person who takes no personal responsibility for their own decisions. If they say, "I drank too much and this is what happened" I would tend to believe whatever comes next.
04-27-2018, 10:08 PM
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Posts: 96
What if they didn’t drink too much?
What would you say if your daughter told you that? Or your sister? Or your mom?
If someone has firsthand knowledge please share. Otherwise maybe we should withhold judgment just a little while
What would you say if your daughter told you that? Or your sister? Or your mom?
If someone has firsthand knowledge please share. Otherwise maybe we should withhold judgment just a little while
04-28-2018, 02:49 AM
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Posts: 2,145
Originally Posted by Floy
You sound as if you have some knowledge...
04-28-2018, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Floy
What if they didn’t drink too much?
What would you say if your daughter told you that? Or your sister? Or your mom?
If someone has firsthand knowledge please share. Otherwise maybe we should withhold judgment just a little while
What would you say if your daughter told you that? Or your sister? Or your mom?
If someone has firsthand knowledge please share. Otherwise maybe we should withhold judgment just a little while
04-28-2018, 10:31 AM
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Posts: 1,267
Originally Posted by MolineCFI
Once I hear someone say, "he drugged me," my credibility meter goes down by 95%. It sounds like a person who takes no personal responsibility for their own decisions. If they say, "I drank too much and this is what happened" I would tend to believe whatever comes next.
There is a very fine line to walk between taking it seriously and protecting innocent until proven guilty.
It's also really poor taste to name the alleged perpetrator in a news article. It's a one sided claim that levels an accusation that will be hard to bounce back from. Guess what. Pilot recruiters use Google. His name will be googled and this story will pop up. I guarantee if this story is found to be false or she withdraws her accusations the news site will not run a follow up or correction.
04-28-2018, 12:14 PM
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Guilty or innocent, the accused will be lucky to keep his job, and his upward mobility is now zero.
If you have sex with someone under these kinds of circumstance, it's going to be impossible to prove your innocence. Something to keep in mind. Misunderstandings can happen, and there's the remote possibility of an intentional set up if there are deep pockets anywhere in sight.
If you have sex with someone under these kinds of circumstance, it's going to be impossible to prove your innocence. Something to keep in mind. Misunderstandings can happen, and there's the remote possibility of an intentional set up if there are deep pockets anywhere in sight.
