TA is out..
05-26-2018, 03:25 PM
#101
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,228
Originally Posted by EngineOut
Senior folks will vote yes...looks good for the 20+ year 175 CAs
Junior folks will vote yes.
It is the midrange seniority FOs and CRJ CAs who get hosed with this.
I am just wondering how they will fiddle with the hour limit and duty rig.
Junior folks will vote yes.
It is the midrange seniority FOs and CRJ CAs who get hosed with this.
I am just wondering how they will fiddle with the hour limit and duty rig.
2> Agree
3>Just be assured they will. They language in the way it's being presented is full of holes, intentionally I suspect.
05-26-2018, 04:30 PM
#102
Dumb Pilot
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: Broke
Posts: 784
Originally Posted by trip
1> Why will seniors vote yes? they're giving up the tax free discretionary 410K contributions for +2% for a total of 12% 401K match that you will need to contribute into to get?
2> Agree
3>Just be assured they will. They language in the way it's being presented is full of holes, intentionally I suspect.
2> Agree
3>Just be assured they will. They language in the way it's being presented is full of holes, intentionally I suspect.
05-26-2018, 04:57 PM
#103
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 427
Originally Posted by trip
3>Just be assured they will. They language in the way it's being presented is full of holes, intentionally I suspect.
You have the average joe writing these policies. None of them are contract lawyers, nor do I expect them to be.
I'd rather just pay 2% in dues and have NMB recognized representation with professional lawyers and negotiators providing insight. That seems more beneficial in the long run seeing as SAPA cannot function properly.
Last edited by savedbythevnav; 05-26-2018 at 04:59 PM. Reason: Had to throw in the obligatory ALPA plug
05-26-2018, 05:30 PM
#104
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,232
Originally Posted by Is offline
What I really don’t understand about this company or new pilots is they should be getting that 12%. 12% of peanuts is very little yet it will help out 20 years from now tremendously.
None of the noobs expect to stay at OO, and 95% are likely correct in their assumptions.
05-26-2018, 05:34 PM
#106
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 427
Originally Posted by rickair7777
SAPA functions just fine, Ask RJ and SGU.
He is hands down the worst thing to happen to SAPA.
05-26-2018, 06:30 PM
#107
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,482
Originally Posted by Flymeaway
Perhaps we’ve never seen it before, but then again up until now, we’ve all been going to the regional with the lowest pay, because that was always the one with the quickest upgrade to get to the majors. That’s no longer the case.
From January 2016 to January 2017, the Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers (CPI-U) all items index rose 2.5 percent, the largest 12-month increase since March 2012.
https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2017/cp...nuary-2017.htm
05-26-2018, 08:18 PM
#108
Time to make the donuts!
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: B737 FO
Posts: 303
Originally Posted by trip
1> Why will seniors vote yes? they're giving up the tax free discretionary 410K contributions for +2% for a total of 12% 401K match that you will need to contribute into to get?
2> Agree
3>Just be assured they will. They language in the way it's being presented is full of holes, intentionally I suspect.
2> Agree
3>Just be assured they will. They language in the way it's being presented is full of holes, intentionally I suspect.
05-27-2018, 01:29 AM
#109
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Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 2,035
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There are no "hefty pay increases", once you account for the removal of quarterly bonuses, as well as the discretionary 401K contribution the initial increase for senior end is about 3%, and then nothing the coming year and then below inflation rate every year thereafter. If you compare them, it is well below what Republic and Endeavor currently have.
Originally Posted by EngineOut
Because it is more consideration than they have been given in past proposals (sans the last one). Hefty pay increase, keep the PPS and another 401k match increase. If I was still there at that seniority level, I would prolly vote yes. Year 12-13 payscale (I would have been at) would make the decision to move on a "little" harder, but am happy I don't have to deal with it. Good luck y'all, still checking in, tho.
There are no "hefty pay increases", once you account for the removal of quarterly bonuses, as well as the discretionary 401K contribution the initial increase for senior end is about 3%, and then nothing the coming year and then below inflation rate every year thereafter. If you compare them, it is well below what Republic and Endeavor currently have.
05-27-2018, 08:12 AM
#110
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,480
Originally Posted by Paid2fly
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There are no "hefty pay increases", once you account for the removal of quarterly bonuses, as well as the discretionary 401K contribution the initial increase for senior end is about 3%, and then nothing the coming year and then below inflation rate every year thereafter. If you compare them, it is well below what Republic and Endeavor currently have.
There are no "hefty pay increases", once you account for the removal of quarterly bonuses, as well as the discretionary 401K contribution the initial increase for senior end is about 3%, and then nothing the coming year and then below inflation rate every year thereafter. If you compare them, it is well below what Republic and Endeavor currently have.
