The trend is bigger jets.
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By whom? The pilots at AS who haven't seen fit to put the scope limits in the contract - ever? The newbie pilots inherited from the Virgin acquisition many of whom simply want to leave,since AS is getting rid of the aircraft they are rated in and the bases they live at? Certainly not the Horizon pilots?
With Airbus now rebranding the bigger CRJs and Boeing buying a controlling interest in the Embraer civilian side, clearly both major aircraft companies believe that SOMEBODY will soon be flying 100 seat jets.
With Airbus now rebranding the bigger CRJs and Boeing buying a controlling interest in the Embraer civilian side, clearly both major aircraft companies believe that SOMEBODY will soon be flying 100 seat jets.
My understanding is United and Delta contract language restricts the use of larger aircraft at regional partners at all airlines, meaning if an airline desired to fly larger RJs for Alaska they would have to sever ties with UA and DL.
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Scope limits arw pretty much always in the mainline CBA, not in the regional CBAs. DL scope limits the DCI fleet count. UALs scope limits United Express. AS would have to negotiate scope into their contract.
Right now DL is maxed out on regional aircraft, for one regional to grow another has to shrink. UAL I think is maxed out as well, but I don’t know their scope as well as I do DL. I have no clue about AA.
Right now DL is maxed out on regional aircraft, for one regional to grow another has to shrink. UAL I think is maxed out as well, but I don’t know their scope as well as I do DL. I have no clue about AA.
AAL is scoped out as well. As AAL brings regional flying in-house, they have been gradually reducing their flying with non-wholly owned regionals.
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UAL’s pilot union has filed a grievance alleging UAL is 2 aircraft over scope as far as 70/76 seaters. UAL’s scope is flexible and dependent on the number of mainline aircraft.
AAL is scoped out as well. As AAL brings regional flying in-house, they have been gradually reducing their flying with non-wholly owned regionals.
AAL is scoped out as well. As AAL brings regional flying in-house, they have been gradually reducing their flying with non-wholly owned regionals.
UAL is completely scoped out and the two a/c found to be in violation of our scope is going to cost them.
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This is 100% wrong. Our scope has very defined limits, and the only way the company can increase those limits is by adding a new small narrow body a/c and even then they can only add one new RJ to the limit for every 4 additional aircraft of the NSNB category.
UAL is completely scoped out and the two a/c found to be in violation of our scope is going to cost them.
UAL is completely scoped out and the two a/c found to be in violation of our scope is going to cost them.
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They have hit the defined ceiling of large RJs allowed to operate, and it’s not adjustable or negotiable.
1-C-1-a-(2)-(c) Up to a total of 255 76-Seat Aircraft plus 70-Seat Aircraft (“76/70- Seat Aircraft”), of which up to 130 may be 76-Seat Aircraft, and then, on or after January 1, 2016, up to 153 76-Seat Aircraft.
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Scope limits arw pretty much always in the mainline CBA, not in the regional CBAs. DL scope limits the DCI fleet count. UALs scope limits United Express. AS would have to negotiate scope into their contract.
Right now DL is maxed out on regional aircraft, for one regional to grow another has to shrink. UAL I think is maxed out as well, but I don’t know their scope as well as I do DL. I have no clue about AA.
Right now DL is maxed out on regional aircraft, for one regional to grow another has to shrink. UAL I think is maxed out as well, but I don’t know their scope as well as I do DL. I have no clue about AA.
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No because it’s dependent on a jet we don’t have and aren’t buying.
1-C-1-a-(2)-(c) Up to a total of 255 76-Seat Aircraft plus 70-Seat Aircraft (“76/70- Seat Aircraft”), of which up to 130 may be 76-Seat Aircraft, and then, on or after January 1, 2016, up to 153 76-Seat Aircraft.
1-C-1-a-(2)-(c) Up to a total of 255 76-Seat Aircraft plus 70-Seat Aircraft (“76/70- Seat Aircraft”), of which up to 130 may be 76-Seat Aircraft, and then, on or after January 1, 2016, up to 153 76-Seat Aircraft.
A basic read says they can have 255 76/70 seat configuration, of which 153 may be 76-seat configuration. A good lawyer would say the agreement doesn’t say this based on the sloppy wording.
Is UAL over on 76-seat aircraft or 70-seat aircraft? How are RAH’s and SKW’s owned aircraft factored in, inside or outside the count?
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By whom? The pilots at AS who haven't seen fit to put the scope limits in the contract - ever? The newbie pilots inherited from the Virgin acquisition many of whom simply want to leave,since AS is getting rid of the aircraft they are rated in and the bases they live at? Certainly not the Horizon pilots?
With Airbus now rebranding the bigger CRJs and Boeing buying a controlling interest in the Embraer civilian side, clearly both major aircraft companies believe that SOMEBODY will soon be flying 100 seat jets.
With Airbus now rebranding the bigger CRJs and Boeing buying a controlling interest in the Embraer civilian side, clearly both major aircraft companies believe that SOMEBODY will soon be flying 100 seat jets.
The newer AS and VX pilots spent years at the regionals, so they have little tolerance for scope shenanigans. The senior VX pilots generally have worked for multiple airlines each, including legacies. They are not all leaving, but I'd expect many from NY to switch to any big four which will have them.
Also now is not really a great time to push scope boundaries. Any regional or alter-ego which is assigned NB size AC will want NB pay pretty quickly in the current pilot market conditions. Additionally, it will then become very hard for that major to hire pilots... nobody is going to sign up if stagnation or furlough is in the future, they would literally lose pilots and not be able to replace them (unless they stoop to CFI's).
AS will probably not take a big steaming scope dump in their house right now, and the pilot group will probably insist on scope next year.
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Scope limits arw pretty much always in the mainline CBA, not in the regional CBAs. DL scope limits the DCI fleet count. UALs scope limits United Express. AS would have to negotiate scope into their contract.
Right now DL is maxed out on regional aircraft, for one regional to grow another has to shrink. UAL I think is maxed out as well, but I don’t know their scope as well as I do DL. I have no clue about AA.
Right now DL is maxed out on regional aircraft, for one regional to grow another has to shrink. UAL I think is maxed out as well, but I don’t know their scope as well as I do DL. I have no clue about AA.
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