Mgmt wont renegotiate after pay disaster
07-17-2018, 02:24 PM
#71
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Originally Posted by gojo
Frontier is a bad example, probably worst case? And sure, it could go that way negotiating for a contract with Skywest. But maybe it could be the smoothest transition also. It would probably be something in between, or average. Bottom line is, if your in house union SAPA, isn’t doing its job, don’t settle for it. The problem with a company sponsored union is they still have all the leverage. Whether it was ALPA or Teamsters, neither would’ve passed that latest TA for a vote.
Now’s the time to stone up and change!
(But who am I kidding, it’ll never happen)
07-18-2018, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
I want you to sit down, and read what you typed here. And then ask yourself some questions. Why is this, and how does being the largest also protect contracts and jobs?
07-18-2018, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JuniorFO
Good point. XJT was the largest, most respected and most wide spread regional airline for years and look what SkyWest did to them...
07-18-2018, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
ACA/Independence was a large respected regional, look what they did to themselves...
Point is a “regional” is just that. Pick one that will easy the pain while you are there.. enjoy it, make friends, and move on...
Point is a “regional” is just that. Pick one that will easy the pain while you are there.. enjoy it, make friends, and move on...
^^^wisdom^^^
07-18-2018, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
ACA/Independence was a large respected regional, look what they did to themselves...
Point is a “regional” is just that. Pick one that will easy the pain while you are there.. enjoy it, make friends, and move on...
Point is a “regional” is just that. Pick one that will easy the pain while you are there.. enjoy it, make friends, and move on...
07-18-2018, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by gojo
And what’s wrong with making the regionals better in case there’s another economic downturn and people are once again stuck for a while?
The reality is it's a massive uphill battle, and if you actually get to the top they bring in bulldozers, level your hill, and use the dirt to make a new one. Only way around that is a national regional union with portable seniority. Or a national major union which hires from a national regional union first (before mil, non-union pilots), in seniority order. If you know how to make that happen, you're a better man than I.
Focus on getting out. I would say don't play at all, but history has proven the best non-mil route to majors is still regionals.
If you're over 50, senior, and staying, it might be worthwhile to fight, it took them ten years to shut down COMAIR so you might make more with a good package even if you liquidate a few years before age 65 (as opposed to status quo to age 65).
07-18-2018, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
A short sighted reply. The regional was created to be just that. Build your time and move on. And in a perfect world they would be exactly that. However, a lot of good people got stuck by no fault of their own. Events like 911, the recent recession, and age 65 derailed a lot of people’s plans. Are you saying oh well? And what’s wrong with making the regionals better in case there’s another economic downturn and people are once again stuck for a while?
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