EFBprobs

If there's any prospective new hires out there...just keep in mind a pay agreement was voted down by the pilot group and they are not returning to the table as of now.

blindfayth

I've been watching this unfold as I was reaching my RATP mins over the past few months.

I had it down to Endeavor, Republic, and SkyWest.

SkyWest was an easy one to cross off of my list. From an outsider's perspective, I like seeing a company be proactive when it comes to taking care of their employees (EDV comes first here, RPA second).

Skywest, meanwhile, seems to be very unwilling to do so. Word spreads fast around the flight school, too. No one is interested in going there anymore, even with us being near two of SkyWests's most junior bases (ORD & DTW).

The pay is just insultingly low to start out at. 37k vs ~55/60k at RPA/EDV? Come on... There's no reason it should be nearly *half*.

On top of that, watching the TA simply be a reshuffling of income from one category to another? Sends a bad message to potential new-hires. Why would I want to join a company that's going to try to pull a fast one? Meanwhile, Endeavor gave everyone a straight up ~20k raise last year. First through bonuses, then second through baking those into base pay rates (which helps 401k contributions and picking up open time).

The up-and-coming new hires aren't stupid. We're watching, and we were disappointed with OO.

EFBprobs

Love to hear it, this is why I posted. Thanks.

Skywest will do everything in their power to pay you as little as possible, and interpret the pilots policy manual in their favor. If they need something, they expect the world...if you need something they won't give an inch.

TJBrass

All true, but going to EDV or RPA means going to NY. That alone is enough to keep the recruiting department busy. Mngt knows that.

captande

Also going to E9 means waiting 6-8 months on a class date.

flydiamond

Not true. Endeavor is hiring en masse now... ramped it up to prepare us for more growth. 55 a month.

Shadre Reevis

E9 is a charter airline based in Spain. Did you mean 9E? Also our hiring has more than doubled recently so classes are no longer being delayed. As flydiamond said, we are told it is to be in better position for more growth.

captande

Yes 9E haha, and that’s good! I hadn’t heard that.

amcnd

Regardless of what you believe, OO bases are a big recruitment tool. 9E pay isn’t enouyto make a guy with kids and a wife commute to NYC. SkyWest pay will come up as long as we keep voting NO to sub 9E pay... So be patient and wait for what you want. Half of OO pilots came here because 10-15 years ago OO paid more then the rest and had better QOL. It was when we went from 1800 pilots to now 4634 pilots that QOL went down. And now SGU knows this and were not happy... They are heading back to Negotiations so will see what happens...

flydiamond

Wonder how things will shake out if/when 9E gets a western base or two. Strong rumors of that while Skywest simultaneously opens a LGA base and C series starts doing a bit of the NYC flying... gotta love the Delta Shuffle. Endeavor is growing but there is no more room to grow in NYC...