rswitz

I know it's been beaten into the ground, but I'd like to start this thread specifically to discuss the pay situation.

In light of the recent turnout and mgmt's statement of having no interest in reopening "pay talks", does anyone have any idea of what to expect going forward?

Not complaining really, but it's getting difficult to pay the bills.

Plus I'm hearing that LGA reserve guys aren't getting called.

DelTacoBowl

Sure...OO is telling the pilot group to pound sand. Making a point that we should be grateful for every penny they toss our way, like the kids in Cabo that dive in the water for the change white people throw in the harbor. My point has always been that pilot domiciles remain the best recruitment tool their is. OO has the most. That gives them the largest population spread to pull from. It is well known that not commuting to a regional job is the only way to make it tolerable. Combine that with the fact that everyone assumes (incorrectly) that they are "just passing through" on their way to United. 4600 pilots at the beginning of the year, 4650ish now. Means they are keeping up with attrition. Cue the hordes that say "but just wait, the pilot shortage is coming! Then we will finally be able to stick it to them." Been waiting for it, tired of waiting for it. Off to my dream job in October. Only way to win against SGU is to work your butt off, be a professional, network like hell, and get out. If the economy hits the fan, OO is the most financially healthy regional, great backstop if things don't cut your way career wise.

rswitz

Sounds about right. As long as people keep showing up, things won't improve.

As far as the pilot shortage, every pilot and thier brother wants a job at United. So United will never have recruiting issues.

I guess I'll shack up here for the Long haul. Off to Walmart to stock up on peanut butter and ramen.

Curious - is your dream job a 121 gig?

WesternSkies

They’ve been doing pay talks every month since the last proposal was shot down. This is available in your SAPA communications.

Flogger

OMG! All this pretending about talks and negotiations!!!!

I just think it is all so cute!!!

jtsastre

You seem to always jump to respond to these sort of replies to defend your “union.” Why?

Aren’t companies allowed to exist today without unionization? The majority of the technology sector is without union, yet they’re not considered, as you say, “all so cute.” Why? What makes aviation different from technology?

I realize the transportation sector has historically followed union laws because of the railroad, but why? Because, they’ve needed to make laws to protect their jobs? That was a positive reaction to a negative purpose. But what about today? The cause doesn’t seem so justified.

gojo

Explain “doesn’t seem so justified.” Quite often things look very different when looking from the outside in verses being entangled in it on the inside. And I hate to bring this up again, but do you really believe that we’d have what we have today in this industry without a national union? Sure Skywest made a good company without a union, but Skywest isn’t the same company today. Sometimes you need to change with the times and get rid of the, that’s the way we’ve always done it thinking

Excargodog

One can credibly argue either a pro-Union or anti-Union position.

Sham Union not so much.

amcnd

Honestly sapa may have (sort-of) worked 15 years ago... Not so much anymore!! Hope for the guys that are just getting on they do something about it. Most of us leaving are beyond carrying now...

DelTacoBowl

Yes I am staying in 121 flying.