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VegasChris 09-01-2021 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by Jonah808 (Post 3288755)
I viewed the letter of authorization and regs, but I want to make sure I interpret it correctly. Can my time in a RedBird AATD count towards the 1500 hours total time? I logged 10.9 hours in a RedBird towards an instrument rating as part of a Part 141 course.

From AOPA article

Charlie Gregoire, vice president for sales and marketing at Redbird Flight Simulations, said his company makes basic (BATD) and advanced aviation training devices (AATD).

“You can take most of an instrument proficiency check [but can’t meet the requirement for a landing] in an AATD,” Gregoire said. The AATD is more sophisticated than a BATD, but neither can be used for circle-to-land maneuvers, a circling approach, or unusual attitudes. Neither was intended for training in visual conditions. In an AATD, you can log instrument flight experience for currency, 20 hours toward an instrument rating, up to 50 hours toward a commercial rating, 25 hours for your ATP rating, and 2.5 hours for your private pilot certificate. Just to stir the pot a little, an AATD will often have the same maximum training credits (above) as a Level 6 FTD."


So I think you can. I have a picture of the certification on the redbird I logged about 22 hours in during my 141 instrument course for my R-ATP. I have the hours logged separately in my logbook so its not included in my total flight time, which I meet the minimums (975 for skywest) for the R-ATP anyways with.

In ATP/CTP we will get more "loggable" simulator hours, as well as training sims also being available to log. I think only those that are able to count for time for ATP are in the level D sim though

R0GER BALL 09-04-2021 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Jonah808 (Post 3288755)
I viewed the letter of authorization and regs, but I want to make sure I interpret it correctly. Can my time in a RedBird AATD count towards the 1500 hours total time? I logged 10.9 hours in a RedBird towards an instrument rating as part of a Part 141 course.

Don’t be stupid. If you show up with any sim time in the total time column you’re sent home. You will not survive the logbook review.

You can arrive 25 hours short because you’ll get that in the company level D sims. RedBirds are not 30 mil lvl Ds

TiredSoul 09-05-2021 02:33 AM

I’ve always logged Level D time as Total Time.
Then again if you’re 10.9 short why not just work 2-3 days longer and have real airplane time?
Instead of trying to use “141” time which may be legal for application for your Instrument rating but isn’t really good for anything else.
Goals should never be based on minima.
Minimum times, minimum experience, minimum efforts.
There is no substitute for experience.

Coool Hand Luke 09-05-2021 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Claxstarr (Post 2763103)
YES you can you the Level D Sim time towards the 1500hrs... with a caveat..
The time has to be in an approved FAA sim AND it has to be part of a 121/141/142 program.
Something like a CTP class at the ATP location will not be loggable as it is a part 61 program, BUT if you do the ATP/CTP course in SLC with OO, those 10hrs plus the 28 for initial will all count toward the 1500 needed.
We just had this discussion in INDOC yesterday.

An ATP CTP course conducted under 142 or 121 is 100% creditable. That’s 10.0 hours you can use towards the aeronautical experience requirements.

Claxstarr 09-05-2021 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Coool Hand Luke (Post 3290803)
An ATP CTP course conducted under 142 or 121 is 100% creditable. That’s 10.0 hours you can use towards the aeronautical experience requirements.


Yes, that’s exactly what I said.

Coool Hand Luke 09-05-2021 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by VegasChris (Post 3289015)
From AOPA article

Charlie Gregoire, vice president for sales and marketing at Redbird Flight Simulations, said his company makes basic (BATD) and advanced aviation training devices (AATD).

“You can take most of an instrument proficiency check [but can’t meet the requirement for a landing] in an AATD,” Gregoire said. The AATD is more sophisticated than a BATD, but neither can be used for circle-to-land maneuvers, a circling approach, or unusual attitudes. Neither was intended for training in visual conditions. In an AATD, you can log instrument flight experience for currency, 20 hours toward an instrument rating, up to 50 hours toward a commercial rating, 25 hours for your ATP rating, and 2.5 hours for your private pilot certificate. Just to stir the pot a little, an AATD will often have the same maximum training credits (above) as a Level 6 FTD."


So I think you can. I have a picture of the certification on the redbird I logged about 22 hours in during my 141 instrument course for my R-ATP. I have the hours logged separately in my logbook so its not included in my total flight time, which I meet the minimums (975 for skywest) for the R-ATP anyways with.

In ATP/CTP we will get more "loggable" simulator hours, as well as training sims also being available to log. I think only those that are able to count for time for ATP are in the level D sim though

No, any Level 4-7 FTD or Level A-D FFS that you train in under 121 or 142 counts. It does not have to be a Level D FFS.

Coool Hand Luke 09-05-2021 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by Claxstarr (Post 3290807)
Yes, that’s exactly what I said.

“Something like a CTP class at the ATP location will not be loggable as it is a part 61 program,“

There is no such thing as a part 61 ATP CTP course. Your choices are 135, 121, 141 or 142.

Claxstarr 09-05-2021 09:36 AM

Sim time towards ATP minimums
 

Originally Posted by Coool Hand Luke (Post 3290810)
“Something like a CTP class at the ATP location will not be loggable”.

There is no such thing as a part 61 ATP CTP course. Your choices are 135, 121, 141 or 142.


Good job leaving out the second half of that sentence.
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Also, good job on necroposting from February of 2019. Lol

Coool Hand Luke 09-05-2021 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by Claxstarr (Post 3290811)
Good job leaving out the second half of that sentence.
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The cut and paste left out the last part, which I’ve fixed. Please don’t pretend to know more about this subject, because trust me…you don’t. Also, I’m here to help. You’re clearly here to troll and make statements that are false or otherwise incorrect.

dmspilot 09-05-2021 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by Jonah808 (Post 3288755)
I viewed the letter of authorization and regs, but I want to make sure I interpret it correctly. Can my time in a RedBird AATD count towards the 1500 hours total time? I logged 10.9 hours in a RedBird towards an instrument rating as part of a Part 141 course.

Check the LOA for the Redbird AATD. It says up to 25 hours may be credited toward 61.159(a)(4)(i) which is referring to a requirement of 75 hours of instrument time. I am not 100% sure if this counts toward TT as well, but since the 1500 hour of requirement in 61.159(a) shall "include" 75 hours of instrument time in 61.159(a)(4), I believe you can count it. However, as others have said, why not make it simple for yourself and fly an extra 10 hours instead?


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