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Twr199 08-21-2022 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 3481096)
And what are the clawbacks the company has baked into this? We KNOW they're in there somewhere, when accountants run the place, the shell game is ALWAYS being played. So what are we giving up? CA retention/upgrade bonus? Profit sharing? 50% increase in health insurance premiums? Higher deductibles? Longevity capped at 7 and 10 years?

The devil is ALWAYS in the details.

You’re giving up mainline seniority. Who cares what the new pay rates are. I guess they’re nice in the interim while you await your class date.

vgarridos 08-21-2022 08:29 AM

Reserve
 
Hello guys! New hire here. I got two simple questions.
Which bases are assigned to recent hires and how long should I expect to be on reserve before being a line holder? Will be flying ERJ.

Thank you!

123AB 08-21-2022 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by vgarridos (Post 3481165)
Hello guys! New hire here. I got two simple questions.
Which bases are assigned to recent hires and how long should I expect to be on reserve before being a line holder? Will be flying ERJ.

Thank you!

Welcome aboard! Unfortunately there are not simple answers to your questions because things change all the time, but there are some generalizations. Lately, new hires on the ERJ are going to SFO, SLC, SEA, and BOI. But again, this can change next month and likely will.

If you don’t want one of those bases, you can expect to get your base within 1-4 bid cycles, unless you want SAN or PDX and then it could take approximately 6 months or more.

Reserve will likely last 1-3 months, but that can change too.

If my answers sound vague, it’s because it is impossible to look into the crystal ball. But the times above are the about the best approximation one can give.

westcoastf 08-21-2022 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by 123AB (Post 3481180)
Welcome aboard! Unfortunately there are not simple answers to your questions because things change all the time, but there are some generalizations. Lately, new hires on the ERJ are going to SFO, SLC, SEA, and BOI. But again, this can change next month and likely will.

If you don’t want one of those bases, you can expect to get your base within 1-4 bid cycles, unless you want SAN or PDX and then it could take approximately 6 months or more.

Reserve will likely last 1-3 months, but that can change too.

If my answers sound vague, it’s because it is impossible to look into the crystal ball. But the times above are the about the best approximation one can give.


Since I started here I moved up over 600 spots on the seniority in like 3 months and there is now 500 people under me now. I have yet to actually do IOE yet. I’m hoping to be able to hold a line somewhere by November or so. Who knows though, I’m new and don’t totally know how fast things move or how to look at bases that I could actually hold a line at.

Also heard from friends OO has classes of 80 people starting in September. I think that’s biweekly but not totally sure.

With an average of 200 people leaving per month and 160 people starting every month you are looking at a 360 swing on seniority a month.


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VegasChris 08-21-2022 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by westcoastf (Post 3481202)

Also heard from friends OO has classes of 80 people starting in September. I think that’s biweekly but not totally sure.

With an average of 200 people leaving per month and 160 people starting every month you are looking at a 360 swing on seniority a month.


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Also heard that from a sim instructor. Back up to 160-200 new hires per month starting in September

My guess is the company thinks this TA is going to bring an influx of captains suddenly either from upgrades, retaining current employees, or possibly from the outside.

Otherwise FOs will outnumber captains and that is going to throw things way out of whack. Or my other theory is they take FOs out of the 121 ranks and move them to the 135 operation selling them on PIC turbine time

Round Luggage 08-21-2022 09:40 AM

The big regionals are positioning for lateral moves from dead regionals.

planejoe 08-21-2022 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by VegasChris (Post 3481209)
Also heard that from a sim instructor. Back up to 160-200 new hires per month starting in September

My guess is the company thinks this TA is going to bring an influx of captains suddenly either from upgrades, retaining current employees, or possibly from the outside.

Otherwise FOs will outnumber captains and that is going to throw things way out of whack. Or my other theory is they take FOs out of the 121 ranks and move them to the 135 operation selling them on PIC turbine time


Does skywest really have that many people applying \ in the pipeline to sustain 160-200 new hires per month? Sounds like a logistical nightmare once out of indoc.

domino 08-21-2022 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by planejoe (Post 3481342)
Does skywest really have that many people applying \ in the pipeline to sustain 160-200 new hires per month? Sounds like a logistical nightmare once out of indoc.

they might, but not all will come. Most will go to regionals paying more. Skywest needs 4000 pilots to support its needs until 2024 when UA takes most regional flying in house, and then will only need about 2800 pilots. The upcoming TA will reflect that and leave many scrambling to exit. With a recession and absolute turbulence about to engulf the country over the next few years, the regional model will be dragged along the bottom like a soulless carcass of a lost sheep.

cornerpocket 08-22-2022 03:27 AM


Originally Posted by domino (Post 3481508)
...until 2024 when UA takes most regional flying in house, and then will only need about 2800 pilots...

Which UAX feeder contracts are up in 2024?

HighWingingIt 08-22-2022 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by cornerpocket (Post 3481521)
Which UAX feeder contracts are up in 2024?


Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I believe Air Wisconsin’s is up come February 2023


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