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Old 05-29-2019, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by word302 View Post
5-8 years? How do you figure?
I’m not going into that discussion... Start asking around how long airlines negotiations went on before they got a contract...
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Old 05-29-2019, 03:41 PM
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I'm very familiar with this particular event, as an FO the Captain's decision was questioned. Turns out the FO was completely correct and the Captain's idea was, well, retarded. The Captain in question got all butt hurt and called his buddy director at HQ and they went after blood. And yes, she was not allowed to upgrade. Got pulled down to SGU for a little attitude adjustment because she was able to show how bad the Captain's decision actually was and wouldn't relent that she had made a wrong decision.

An FO in SLC that is I think no.2 on the CRJ FO list will never get the 175 because of the retarded transition cluster developed. He is now getting 4 and 6 leg days on the 200 while other FO's on the 175 that are some 10 years junior to him are getting the primo 2 leg locals he used to be able to hold. There are new hires getting the 175 in front of him in SLC.

The seniority system has and can be superseded by company need. Nothing will change because the most important entity is happy with the results. And thus there is also PBS and that has been hurting people for so long the pain isn't noticeable any more.
The number 2 FO in Slc doesn’t want to transition. Looking at the top 10. They could have by now. And every time you fly with them, they have a different story why they haven’t transitioned or tried to upgrade... or have and didn’t make it.. not saying some guys didn’t get screwed on timing of transitioning to the 175. But they all had a chance. And most could have upgraded a decade ago...
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Old 05-29-2019, 03:51 PM
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The number 2 FO in Slc doesn’t want to transition. Looking at the top 10. They could have by now. And every time you fly with them, they have a different story why they haven’t transitioned or tried to upgrade... or have and didn’t make it.. not saying some guys didn’t get screwed on timing of transitioning to the 175. But they all had a chance. And most could have upgraded a decade ago...
Yep, all they had to do was transfer out of SLC like everyone else.
Other then the inability to upgrade in base while others junior to you transfer in I can think of one other glaring seniority violation that happened and when called out the reason turned into "family hardship" or something along those lines. I won't go into detail because the company monitor will immediately post and call me a liar, didn't happen etc.
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Old 05-29-2019, 04:55 PM
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Yep, all they had to do was transfer out of SLC like everyone else.
Other then the inability to upgrade in base while others junior to you transfer in I can think of one other glaring seniority violation that happened and when called out the reason turned into "family hardship" or something along those lines. I won't go into detail because the company monitor will immediately post and call me a liar, didn't happen etc.
I'm familiar with that one too! Seniority rules are really a loose guideline, not something you can count on. Kind of like the entire PPM.
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Old 05-29-2019, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd View Post
The number 2 FO in Slc doesn’t want to transition. Looking at the top 10. They could have by now. And every time you fly with them, they have a different story why they haven’t transitioned or tried to upgrade... or have and didn’t make it.. not saying some guys didn’t get screwed on timing of transitioning to the 175. But they all had a chance. And most could have upgraded a decade ago...
He showed me the letter of why he was bypassed. He would have to take another base until a SLC position opened, and he can't take that risk. Yes he could have upgraded and had an awful schedule, he didn't want that either.

Why can't a person bid an airplane in their base? Because it's a difficulty the company doesn't want to deal with.

Plain and simple, it's wrong, and it's a violation of seniority that would never happen at virtually all other airlines. If this ever happened at D or U it would be world war III!
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Old 05-29-2019, 05:31 PM
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He showed me the letter of why he was bypassed. He would have to take another base until a SLC position opened, and he can't take that risk. Yes he could have upgraded and had an awful schedule, he didn't want that either.

Why can't a person bid an airplane in their base? Because it's a difficulty the company doesn't want to deal with.

Plain and simple, it's wrong, and it's a violation of seniority that would never happen at virtually all other airlines. If this ever happened at D or U it would be world war III!
I was wondering if they could have transitioned to the junior base filling the vacancies then transferred back in seniority order. Thanks. The junior FO to be awarded SLC didn’t even spend a full month in ORD before being given SLC. Talk about a big ballyhoo over what has been “how we have always done it”.
a trained pilot always gets the slot before a pilot needing trained.
They knew SLC was going to keep growing (I think) so I still don’t like it but we all know how the game gets played. Meaning you might get that outwest upgrade but you will probably have to put in for “Minnie Tour”
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I was wondering if they could have transitioned to the junior base filling the vacancies then transferred back in seniority order. Thanks. The junior FO to be awarded SLC didn’t even spend a full month in ORD before being given SLC. Talk about a big ballyhoo over what has been “how we have always done it”.
a trained pilot always gets the slot before a pilot needing trained.
They knew SLC was going to keep growing (I think) so I still don’t like it but we all know how the game gets played. Meaning you might get that outwest upgrade but you will probably have to put in for “Minnie Tour”
I think we all know how "the game" is played. But no other airline plays it that way and the commuting and financial burden is on the pilot. There is only one winner in "the game".

More on to the point, not one damn bit of this is written down, as someone said "it's just the way we've always done it".

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Old 05-29-2019, 05:48 PM
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Some airlines displace like crazy. I was kicked out of 3 domiciles and 4 seats at eagle.... pick your poison...
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Old 05-29-2019, 05:52 PM
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Some airlines displace like crazy. I was kicked out of 3 domiciles and 4 seats at eagle.... pick your poison...
"We do it better than Eagle did it/Envoy does it" isn't setting the bar very high these days. Just sayin'...
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Most airlines have provisions to lock pilots into a fleet that's phasing out. It's really a safety thing, you'd have a continuous parade of noobs and displaced junior pilots being forced onto a sinking ship and then bailing as soon as they could get out. Everyone would be green-on-green. Fleet lock typically includes pay protection, and then you have bumping rights at the end. I could see OO trying to wiggle out of that though.
Rickair the difference is after they locked them into PDX and SEA CRJ while it was wound down, they were kicked out of base while people jr to them were on the 175 in that base. right now they are just not letting many people transfer. most airlines have a provision when a new base opens or a new equipment opens in a base you can break a seat lock. I know people who are going on a year without being allowed to transfer while new hires are getting the base and seat the sr people want. while SKW has its good things, how senority is treated here is not one of them. IMO
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