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Originally Posted by Milksheikh
(Post 2866215)
As I've said before, I think envoy hires a LOT of people from their cadet program without degrees who basically have to rely on the flow to move on. I don't have hard numbers and am just going off what I saw where I instructed for what it's worth. Pro tip: most new hires are RTP or off the street. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2866223)
That's why less than a fourth of new hires are Cadets. Ok.
Pro tip: most new hires are RTP or off the street. |
Originally Posted by Milksheikh
(Post 2866236)
Ok. Do you know what percent of the rtp or off the street guys have a degree?
Cadets, not always. But they will have a very long proven track record by the time they flow. The degree has nothing to do with what kind of a pilot you are. It's an useful screening tool, but after years of service at a regional, they will know that you are not an idiot. So it's not very important for flows. The WOs have very strict restrictions on who they can hire in regards of criminal records and failed checkrides. That mandate comes straight from the top. The multiple failure guys will get an automatic TBNT. AA has figured this one out pretty well. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2866240)
RTP, probably 100%. Off the street, almost every one I know.
Cadets, not always. But they will have a very long proven track record by the time they flow. The degree has nothing to do with what kind of a pilot you are. It's an useful screening tool, but after years of service at a regional, they will know that you are not an idiot. So it's not very important for flows. The WOs have very strict restrictions on who they can hire in regards of criminal records and failed checkrides. That mandate comes straight from the top. The multiple failure guys will get an automatic TBNT. AA has figured this one out pretty well. |
Originally Posted by Milksheikh
(Post 2866280)
You're right a college degree doesn't have anything to do with how good a pilot you are and I know some great pilots without one. My point is that you aren't going to delta united FedEx ups without one. That's why the AA regionals get more people without one because they know they can flow.
The risk they are taking is that a young person may have a clean record simply because he hasn't had enough time to mess up yet. That guy is still going to flow unless he manages to get fired first, they way I understand it. Also they are passing on whatever cultural intangible they get from an educated labor pool. Maybe they assume they'll still have a critical mass from mil and OTS. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2866384)
Correct. They are tapping an underutilized pool, and the fringe benefit is that it gives them a relatively captive audience.
The risk they are taking is that a young person may have a clean record simply because he hasn't had enough time to mess up yet. That guy is still going to flow unless he manages to get fired first, they way I understand it. Also they are passing on whatever cultural intangible they get from an educated labor pool. Maybe they assume they'll still have a critical mass from mil and OTS. I ran the numbers for the past 5 classes that I have data for, and it's just under 20% of new hires. Quite a few of those guys have their degrees. I don't think that's enough to call our labor pool "uneducated". |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2866407)
Cadets are currently a small minority of new hires.
I ran the numbers for the past 5 classes that I have data for, and it's just under 20% of new hires. Quite a few of those guys have their degrees. I don't think that's enough to call our labor pool "uneducated". |
Originally Posted by ninerdriver
(Post 2866433)
They apply for jobs at Envoy. How much more uneducated can they get?
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Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2866461)
Well, they could go to Endeavor and sit reserve in NYC for 2-3 years... :D
Yeah, 9E is kind of hard to sell right now. |
What are the most junior bases with most movement atm
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