Commuting at SKW
08-02-2019, 08:14 PM
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Skywest is incredibly hostile to commuters. They do absolutely nothing to make it any easier. They won't pay for parking even if you live in a skywest base and commute to another base. IE: SLC-MSP. We have no commuter clause so there is no real standard other than an aribitrary company "average" of missing roughly 7 days of work out of a rolling 12 month period. Go above that and you're on the radar. OO just fired 2 pilots for reliability issues directly related to commuting.
08-02-2019, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lostbaggage
Skywest is incredibly hostile to commuters. They do absolutely nothing to make it any easier. They won't pay for parking even if you live in a skywest base and commute to another base. IE: SLC-MSP. We have no commuter clause so there is no real standard other than an aribitrary company "average" of missing roughly 7 days of work out of a rolling 12 month period. Go above that and you're on the radar. OO just fired 2 pilots for reliability issues directly related to commuting.
08-02-2019, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by trip
Wasn't it something to do with how the change was written in the computer? There was no distinction among EX carriers therefore UA was always higher priority on EX?
Also old agreements between EX carriers where in place amongst themselves, and agreements between individual EX and UA, these were tossed without consulting the EX parties affected.
It could happen but all parties will have to at the table and new agreements worked out, alternatively brute force and threats can be used to make affected parties comply.
Everything is negotiable.
I'm done with jumpseat sheeet in this thread.
Also old agreements between EX carriers where in place amongst themselves, and agreements between individual EX and UA, these were tossed without consulting the EX parties affected.
It could happen but all parties will have to at the table and new agreements worked out, alternatively brute force and threats can be used to make affected parties comply.
Everything is negotiable.
I'm done with jumpseat sheeet in this thread.
And as far as I know the only true objector to the proposal was SKW, followed by Republic. The rest of the express carriers didn’t seem to object.
Regarding reciprocal agreements; I don’t see how they are being negated. Everyone keeps priority on their metal. After that, UAL can do as they please with their reservation system. If SKW has a problem with it, SKW is free to lease or develop their own reservation software.
08-03-2019, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Lostbaggage
Skywest is incredibly hostile to commuters. They do absolutely nothing to make it any easier. They won't pay for parking even if you live in a skywest base and commute to another base. IE: SLC-MSP. We have no commuter clause so there is no real standard other than an aribitrary company "average" of missing roughly 7 days of work out of a rolling 12 month period. Go above that and you're on the radar. OO just fired 2 pilots for reliability issues directly related to commuting.
08-03-2019, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hawk21
Yeah... there is definitely more to the story than missing 7 days and you’re fired. I heard the number of days missed from those guys. It was outrageously high.
I commuted at OO and never had any issues. As long as your smart about it, have a backup plan, and keep an eye on weather/loads. You’ll be fine.
08-03-2019, 07:59 PM
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Times are changing at Skywest. It's not the friendly little hometown Utah airline it used to be 10+ years ago. Management does NOT care about the employees. They are a number only. And if you hit their arbitrary average you are looked at closely. OO flight attendants are abused like you could never believe! If they sneeze wrong they get fired. If they are the cause of a delay they get fired. Why? Because they're "replaceable." Now that OO can fill classes it is starting to see its pilot group as more "replaceable" and it's starting to punish and fire pilots at a much higher rate than previously seen. And no. Student council will not be able to save your job.
08-03-2019, 08:50 PM
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Well we also have higher numbers then other groups we have more pilots. 2 pilots get fired out of 5100 is different then 2 pilots getting fired from Compass or Horizon with 600 pilots each... honestly over the past 20 years I haven’t seen any difference in SkyWest vs a alpa regional and I've been involved in that with a alpa regional.. regional is a regional. You are a subcontractor. Learn that. Know that. Live with that... and you won’t be disappointed..
08-03-2019, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
Well we also have higher numbers then other groups we have more pilots. 2 pilots get fired out of 5100 is different then 2 pilots getting fired from Compass or Horizon with 600 pilots each... honestly over the past 20 years I haven’t seen any difference in SkyWest vs a alpa regional and I've been involved in that with a alpa regional.. regional is a regional. You are a subcontractor. Learn that. Know that. Live with that... and you won’t be disappointed..
08-04-2019, 08:04 AM
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Commuting at SKW
Originally Posted by Lostbaggage
It's true they all suck. But some do suck less. The days of skywest making fun of Mesa are over. Their run to the bottom is nearly complete.
I’m really starting to wonder about your story...
You’re seriously comparing OO to mesa?
If you’re still here, and hate it so much, why don’t you just put in your Mesa App and head on over?
For new guys searching the forums, this is your classic example of how a terrible attitude can affect your work life.
The vast majority of people I’ve seen complain about QOL are young and never worked a job outside of the aviation industry.
I’ll take 11/12 days off over Fortune 500 company jobs in sales/business/engineering etc where you’re on call 24/7.
Like AMCND said, you’re working at a regional.
It’s all what you make it. Come in with a good attitude knowing that you’re “putting in your time” and you’ll be just fine.
08-04-2019, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Claxstarr
I’m really starting to wonder about your story...
You’re seriously comparing OO to mesa?
If you’re still here, and hate it so much, why don’t you just put in your Mesa App and head on over?
For new guys searching the forums, this is your classic example of how a terrible attitude can affect your work life.
The vast majority of people I’ve seen complain about QOL are young and never worked a job outside of the aviation industry.
I’ll take 11/12 days off over Fortune 500 company jobs in sales/business/engineering etc where you’re on call 24/7.
Like AMCND said, you’re working at a regional.
It’s all what you make it. Come in with a good attitude knowing that you’re “putting in your time” and you’ll be just fine.
You’re seriously comparing OO to mesa?
If you’re still here, and hate it so much, why don’t you just put in your Mesa App and head on over?
For new guys searching the forums, this is your classic example of how a terrible attitude can affect your work life.
The vast majority of people I’ve seen complain about QOL are young and never worked a job outside of the aviation industry.
I’ll take 11/12 days off over Fortune 500 company jobs in sales/business/engineering etc where you’re on call 24/7.
Like AMCND said, you’re working at a regional.
It’s all what you make it. Come in with a good attitude knowing that you’re “putting in your time” and you’ll be just fine.
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