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Old 10-13-2019, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 1257 View Post
Non-exclusive carrier jumpseat

Keep in mind when the agreement is signed, SkyWest is the same as GoJet.
You can see the priority benefit is only on the exclusive jumpseat.
So in your example, an ExpressJet guy would be the same as a Republic guy as a UAL guy on a SkyWest (non-exclusive) seat.
SkyWest would still go above them in SkyWest flights.
Without us signing the jumpseat agreement is this still the priority that United computers will be assigning jumpseaters on OO aircraft? Because that doesn’t violate our FOM.

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That’s exactly what our FOM has anyway.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:33 PM
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This is not good for recruitment either. The fact that SAPA, our advocacy group, has come up with such a poor “solution” looks and is terrible. We did not ask for this nor did we volunteer to risk so much. We are now being forced to a stand that may have real consequences. Very disappointing.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kent View Post
This is not good for recruitment either. The fact that SAPA, our advocacy group, has come up with such a poor “solution” looks and is terrible. We did not ask for this nor did we volunteer to risk so much. We are now being forced to a stand that may have real consequences. Very disappointing.
Is this tongue in cheek?
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 1257 View Post
Non-exclusive carrier jumpseat

Keep in mind when the agreement is signed, SkyWest is the same as GoJet.
You can see the priority benefit is only on the exclusive jumpseat.
So in your example, an ExpressJet guy would be the same as a Republic guy as a UAL guy on a SkyWest (non-exclusive) seat.
SkyWest would still go above them in SkyWest flights.
Thank you very much for sharing. While I still have my disagreements with the proposed system, this is far better than what I had been led to believe. It is still in line with our FOM, if what you've shown is accurate which it would appear to be. So long as the United computer system is going to make this differentiation correctly, which remains to be seen.

This also would make it, as you said, more comparable to Delta's system. I still take issue with the exclusive priority system not relying on wholly owned carriers, there isn't precedent for that. I think that's wrong, but not worthy of denying jumpseats. At worse, reciprocate OAL status to United and the exclusive carriers (as has been done to us) until we can come to an agreement.

Never had any plans to deny jumpseats, but this certainly helps make the decision easier. I am still concerned with having to play jumpseat police on a quick turn in order to make sure the seat gets assigned to the right person. Gate agents did a poor job assigning it correctly with the old system, and that was less complicated.
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bravix View Post
Thank you very much for sharing. While I still have my disagreements with the proposed system, this is far better than what I had been led to believe. It is still in line with our FOM, if what you've shown is accurate which it would appear to be. So long as the United computer system is going to make this differentiation correctly, which remains to be seen.

This also would make it, as you said, more comparable to Delta's system. I still take issue with the exclusive priority system not relying on wholly owned carriers, there isn't precedent for that. I think that's wrong, but not worthy of denying jumpseats. At worse, reciprocate OAL status to United and the exclusive carriers (as has been done to us) until we can come to an agreement.

Never had any plans to deny jumpseats, but this certainly helps make the decision easier. I am still concerned with having to play jumpseat police on a quick turn in order to make sure the seat gets assigned to the right person. Gate agents did a poor job assigning it correctly with the old system, and that was less complicated.
SAPA leadership are either clueless or have blatantly lied to their membership. Certainly wouldn’t be the first time...
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Old 10-13-2019, 10:15 PM
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What boggles my mind is that over the past couple years the biggest issues I can recall that SAPA and the pilot group got involved in were:

• Should we switch from annual to quarterly vacation bidding? Lots of discussions, a pilot poll, a SAPA vote, etc. All conducted very publicly.

• Should we keep the monthly trip bidding window at 7 days, or shorten it to 5? Again, lots of discussions, a poll, etc etc.

In comparison to starting a war with UAL over our jumpseats, the above 2 issues are, shall we say, inconsequential. Yet we had plenty of pilot input, as was right and proper. In this situation? We just get handed a communique that tells us "This is how it is, this is what we expect you to do."

And *utter silence* from the company. This is what's most puzzling to me. Our management does *a lot* of communicating to the pilot group about everything from latency to mustache dimensions. Yet, crickets.
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Originally Posted by Turbosina View Post
What boggles my mind is that over the past couple years the biggest issues I can recall that SAPA and the pilot group got involved in were:

• Should we switch from annual to quarterly vacation bidding? Lots of discussions, a pilot poll, a SAPA vote, etc. All conducted very publicly.

• Should we keep the monthly trip bidding window at 7 days, or shorten it to 5? Again, lots of discussions, a poll, etc etc.

In comparison to starting a war with UAL over our jumpseats, the above 2 issues are, shall we say, inconsequential. Yet we had plenty of pilot input, as was right and proper. In this situation? We just get handed a communique that tells us "This is how it is, this is what we expect you to do."

And *utter silence* from the company. This is what's most puzzling to me. Our management does *a lot* of communicating to the pilot group about everything from latency to mustache dimensions. Yet, crickets.
That’s because your <representatives> were handed a new agreement out of the blue from UALPA stating “this is how it is, this is what we expect you to do” now please shut up and sign we want no discussions about it. Last I read was your executive leadership was onboard with the JS denial action.
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Old 10-14-2019, 02:50 AM
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Was anyone here around in 2013 when Pinnacle became Endeavor and they were given jumpseat priority in Delta flights?
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:25 AM
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Nothing new here.
United eats it's young and most pilots there have the "yank the ladder up behind them" attitude. It's been going on since the 1990s.
The good thing for regional pilots is that UAL is an airline that cannot survive without regional jets. Kirby wants them and the UAL pilots will eventually cave as more and more continue to replace the UAL narrowbody fleets.
History repeats itself over and over with this place.
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Originally Posted by butthert View Post
Nothing new here.
United eats it's young and most pilots there have the "yank the ladder up behind them" attitude. It's been going on since the 1990s.
The good thing for regional pilots is that UAL is an airline that cannot survive without regional jets. Kirby wants them and the UAL pilots will eventually cave as more and more continue to replace the UAL narrowbody fleets.
History repeats itself over and over with this place.
Swing and a miss. It’s actually quite the opposite. As a former Skw pilot and and a UAL one, I can tell you Skywest could never imagine, let alone, come close to the unity we have here and how we take care of each other.

FYI, Kirby can add more rj’s if he want without an ounce of capitulation from us. Yet he isn’t 🤔. But you probably knew that. Yet we are adding more Airbus, soon to resume the maxes, 777, 767, and 787’s without parking any.

Don’t worry though, all will be forgiven when you come over. I promise beer and dinner is on me when you sling gear for me. We take care of our half wingers.
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