DTW Based; SkyWest Vs Endeavor
 

Hey all,

I live near DTW with a March 2020 class date. Of course SkyWest is the no brainer option for someone based in DTW, but I still have a few questions:

- How long would one be on reserve in DTW?
- How long to upgrade in DTW?

Also, if Delta was the goal, how often does Delta hire skywest pilots? Would Endeavor be a better choice with the guaranteed interview?

Anything helps! Thanks!

If you have the quals upgrade is during NH training for DTW, 14 from the bottom FO got a line in November... tons of OO guys at DL and go to DL.. OO advantage over Endeavor is faster upgrade for DTW and we fly both 200/700/900 as one group. (More opportunity to pick up flying) OO DTW base is 240 CA’s and 217 FO’s. Not sure how big it is for Endeavor..

I have buddies that got somesort of line in three months after the checkride.

How quick could you get captain in ATL assuming you came in with 1000 121? And do captains fly a lot on reserve or do you sit around and not do much?

Nobody on the CRJ sits around....

Working on IFR now. Goal is to work for OO or E9 in the next year and a half or so.

I know the 900/700/200 all one class for OO.

What else makes OO the no brainer for DTW?

For OO DTW will always be a Jr base.. you can have comfort that you will upgrade there and not have to commute for a quicker upgrade. Because thats it DTW..

ATL is the most junior base, followed closely by DTW. If you came when we're short on captain upgrades, you might be able to basically get it right away (like, around Christmas).

Problem with Atlanta is twofold. One, its a smaller base, so even though its junior there are less slots. Two, with how Delta seems to be trying to shift us more west/midwest, I'm not sure what our Atlanta flying will look like in the near future.

As someone else said, nobody on the CRJ sits around. They work ya. I haven't had a reserve day where they don't use me, though I typically know the night before at least.

COS upgrade just went to newhires....

You’ll get to Delta quicker via Endeavor.

I see a lot of Endeavor guys and gals with no hats and orange lanyards.

It’s a super secret union thing ya’ll wouldn’t understand.

Skywest will likely closing east bases(delta flyibg) over the next couple years, so beware going for Dtw.

Doubtful. Not enough west coast flying to swap/replace or even gates out west for it.. in fact all 900’s have moved east.. all DL 175’s will move west over the next 6 months.. sample for you 52 CRJ’s fly through DTW today... And the base has 440 pilots there.... only base i would worry about the next 5 years is IAH... (besides LGA)

LGA is the only one affected. DTW is not closing.

Source?

Seems very unlikely they’d close DTW as their CRJ flying isn’t going to the west coast

Both have pros and cons but I'd say skywest. At edv you'll be based in lga/JFK your first 6ish months on reserve and then when you come to dtw you'll be on reserve an additional 6 months.

Guy I just talked to at endeavor flew just 200 hours his first year there. Tons of fos there have the time to upgrade but can't and it's pushing 3 years. The delta interview is nice but you have wait an additional 18 months after your ~3 year upgrade. The time to go to endeavor was '16-17.

At skywest you'll get dtw off the bat maybe a month or 2 of reserve and building time a lot quicker. Upgrade will be as soon as you have the mins.

To further prove he/she has no idea what there talking about DVR has 30 DTW captain openings that just posted...

And to stoke the fire more, some at Endeavor think their MSP presence might be the first to go. And a couple guys I've flown with say management has been particularly gung ho with ATL ops in the hopes of edging out endeavor there and increasing our presence. I know the notion of "sticking to geographical regions" has been floating around since the hammer dropped, but I just don't see it happening that cut-and-dry.

To be fair, dtw always has the lion's share of openings , mostly fueled by attrition and transfers, but it certainly isn't shrinking.

very doubtful without another announcement. not enough EDV and RAH planes to cover this flying. DTW has been jr for the past 3 years at OO. ATL is the only east coast CRJ base that i think is even slightly in jeopardy but id say MSP and DTW are safe for the next few years

Kool Aid. Yum

Nothing worse than when I fly Delta Connection out of MSP or DTW hoping to fly Endeavor only to find out it’s operated by Skywest. Sigh.

Oooh poor little thing. It's ok, we'll try our best as a crew, our goal is to please you.

Looking at your post history, looks like about 3/4 of your posts are about your dislike of OO or YX. Would love to know what they did to instill such hatred.

Next time you ask for a ride, be sure to let the SkyWest captain know how you feel. Or drive instead.

EDV just had a whole class out of training get awarded DTW. Upgrades are slow now but that will get better. The sitting around sucks though.

That's good to hear. That happens at skywest whether they want Detroit or not :D the guy I talked to was a year in so it's probably different for a new hire today.

From the outside it seems there is a logjam of guys holding out for delta only and not putting effort into going elsewhere. Could this be why upgrades are slower there? I know at skywest everyone is trying to get out asap to whoever calls first and it really moves you up both the captain and especially FO list fast in Detroit.

Detroit is going to grow at 9E as Daddy D winds down GoJet there. Then it will likely stagnate. Who knows how CVG opening will affect that. We have a lot of senior guys in DTW, particularly on the CA side. From what I've gathered, DTW is far more junior for SkyWest. Make that a consideration.

I would lean SkyWest over 9E, don't listen to anyone that says the DGI is worth anything. Get in to SkyWest and fly your butt off. Learn as much as you can, upgrade fast, build PIC. Round out your resume with volunteering, lcp, acp, or something else that perks your interest. Then get out! 9E seems to be the place where Delta hopes go to die. At last count YTD less than a quarter of those that moved on from 9E went to widget.

Enjoy the ride.

Very true statement