Displacement
05-24-2020, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Claxstarr
Actually, my man, this entire situation is just part of the career.
This happens every 7ish years the same way that the oilfield cycle and the economy as a whole does as well. Yes it seems like this round is a bit worse than previous cycles, but it’s just another cycle.
We, as a collective pilot group, need to stop acting like children and take responsibility for choosing the profession we did.
This. Is. Part. Of. The. Industry.
On the flip side, you can choose to bail and change careers... you won’t be the first, or the last.
No one is going to get any sympathy from these forums.
This happens every 7ish years the same way that the oilfield cycle and the economy as a whole does as well. Yes it seems like this round is a bit worse than previous cycles, but it’s just another cycle.
We, as a collective pilot group, need to stop acting like children and take responsibility for choosing the profession we did.
This. Is. Part. Of. The. Industry.
On the flip side, you can choose to bail and change careers... you won’t be the first, or the last.
No one is going to get any sympathy from these forums.
05-24-2020, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by captive apple
You are probably going to have answers well before this fall. There will probably be a bid within the next month. It is a fluid situation but unless things get obviously back to normal or aviation employees get another government bailout expect displacements at the end of July.
05-24-2020, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
I don’t see a bid coming out tell the fall, September maybe... October classes
05-24-2020, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by domino
wait until July 1. They’ll likely send the furlough notices out for October and then you’ll have an idea. Bottom 20% of which I am part of should be working on plan D thru F
05-25-2020, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by shrsailplanes
I’m an engineer by trade and worked in medical for over 20 years. I got as far as director level before I switched to Skywest.
I had been an engineer for 15 years when I switched to flying in 07. I've commuted for 5 years, I've been furloughed from a regional FO position in the depression, Started first year pay a second time ($14,000 per year). Spent 8 years as a regional FO making less than $30,000 per year until I upgraded. I'm now at a major facing furlough and about to turn 50. It's still the best job I've ever had.
Think about the last guy hired at SkyWest in 08. He spent years commuting to the bottom of the list on much less money than you would make. It can be done.
What saved me financially is that every year or two I'd make sure I'd get an engineering contract job to keep my name current in the market place. To begin with my contracts were with my old company because we knew each other. Eventually with 20 years in engineering your list of contacts should be big enough to move on from your old company to new engineering pastures. I get calls every now and then from old contacts asking if I have time to help on a crunch project. I said yes to almost everyone except when I was in an airline training event.
I was able to work my way into part time contract jobs where I would commit to two days a week in the office and additional time as my schedule allowed working on the road or from home. Don't get me wrong, it was hard work and tiring sometimes but it kept me current and now I'm looking at furlough again I already have a gig lined up.
As a bottom of the list guy at a major I can tell you, for me it has been and will be in the future a much more lucrative and enjoyable job than engineering. It IS worth it. The job at the majors was night and day better than the regional.
My advice, and you get what you pay for, is this:
1) Get back in the trenches in engineering. If you can drive a CAD workstation get current. Typically management and project engineering isn't something you can do part time but drawings, designing widgets, stress analysis is. You can add value to a company by creating engineering output. Go back to the stuff you were good at before you became a manager.
2) Branch out from medical. What other engineering companies in different sectors are located close to you? Email contacts you might have that had moved sector. Find out what's out there.
3) If you love flying. Keep doing it. You will be happier. Find away to make commuting work. My wife would come with me for quiet reserve weeks and then fly home if I got called. Get a crash pad, buy a car, explore the area while you are sitting reserve, camping trips or whatever that makes you happy. I always thought about buying a 4x4 adventure van, loading all my outdoor toys and living in that while on reserve. (I might do that as if/ when I get recalled I'll be commuting across country again).
This job is great but it's about what you make of it. You have to be versatile and you will reap the rewards. One thing for sure is this Covid19 won't be the last down turn. There will be more in both of our careers. it's how you plan for and your attitude towards the downturns that dictates how happy you will be in this career.
Good luck.
Aitfix
05-25-2020, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Airfix
I have a similar story to yours, engineer by trade. I never made it to director level I kept myself in the trenches because I'm not management material and I like to keep my engineering skills up. You can make this flying thing work if you are under 50.
I had been an engineer for 15 years when I switched to flying in 07. I've commuted for 5 years, I've been furloughed from a regional FO position in the depression, Started first year pay a second time ($14,000 per year). Spent 8 years as a regional FO making less than $30,000 per year until I upgraded. I'm now at a major facing furlough and about to turn 50. It's still the best job I've ever had.
Think about the last guy hired at SkyWest in 08. He spent years commuting to the bottom of the list on much less money than you would make. It can be done.
What saved me financially is that every year or two I'd make sure I'd get an engineering contract job to keep my name current in the market place. To begin with my contracts were with my old company because we knew each other. Eventually with 20 years in engineering your list of contacts should be big enough to move on from your old company to new engineering pastures. I get calls every now and then from old contacts asking if I have time to help on a crunch project. I said yes to almost everyone except when I was in an airline training event.
I was able to work my way into part time contract jobs where I would commit to two days a week in the office and additional time as my schedule allowed working on the road or from home. Don't get me wrong, it was hard work and tiring sometimes but it kept me current and now I'm looking at furlough again I already have a gig lined up.
As a bottom of the list guy at a major I can tell you, for me it has been and will be in the future a much more lucrative and enjoyable job than engineering. It IS worth it. The job at the majors was night and day better than the regional.
My advice, and you get what you pay for, is this:
1) Get back in the trenches in engineering. If you can drive a CAD workstation get current. Typically management and project engineering isn't something you can do part time but drawings, designing widgets, stress analysis is. You can add value to a company by creating engineering output. Go back to the stuff you were good at before you became a manager.
2) Branch out from medical. What other engineering companies in different sectors are located close to you? Email contacts you might have that had moved sector. Find out what's out there.
3) If you love flying. Keep doing it. You will be happier. Find away to make commuting work. My wife would come with me for quiet reserve weeks and then fly home if I got called. Get a crash pad, buy a car, explore the area while you are sitting reserve, camping trips or whatever that makes you happy. I always thought about buying a 4x4 adventure van, loading all my outdoor toys and living in that while on reserve. (I might do that as if/ when I get recalled I'll be commuting across country again).
This job is great but it's about what you make of it. You have to be versatile and you will reap the rewards. One thing for sure is this Covid19 won't be the last down turn. There will be more in both of our careers. it's how you plan for and your attitude towards the downturns that dictates how happy you will be in this career.
Good luck.
Aitfix
I had been an engineer for 15 years when I switched to flying in 07. I've commuted for 5 years, I've been furloughed from a regional FO position in the depression, Started first year pay a second time ($14,000 per year). Spent 8 years as a regional FO making less than $30,000 per year until I upgraded. I'm now at a major facing furlough and about to turn 50. It's still the best job I've ever had.
Think about the last guy hired at SkyWest in 08. He spent years commuting to the bottom of the list on much less money than you would make. It can be done.
What saved me financially is that every year or two I'd make sure I'd get an engineering contract job to keep my name current in the market place. To begin with my contracts were with my old company because we knew each other. Eventually with 20 years in engineering your list of contacts should be big enough to move on from your old company to new engineering pastures. I get calls every now and then from old contacts asking if I have time to help on a crunch project. I said yes to almost everyone except when I was in an airline training event.
I was able to work my way into part time contract jobs where I would commit to two days a week in the office and additional time as my schedule allowed working on the road or from home. Don't get me wrong, it was hard work and tiring sometimes but it kept me current and now I'm looking at furlough again I already have a gig lined up.
As a bottom of the list guy at a major I can tell you, for me it has been and will be in the future a much more lucrative and enjoyable job than engineering. It IS worth it. The job at the majors was night and day better than the regional.
My advice, and you get what you pay for, is this:
1) Get back in the trenches in engineering. If you can drive a CAD workstation get current. Typically management and project engineering isn't something you can do part time but drawings, designing widgets, stress analysis is. You can add value to a company by creating engineering output. Go back to the stuff you were good at before you became a manager.
2) Branch out from medical. What other engineering companies in different sectors are located close to you? Email contacts you might have that had moved sector. Find out what's out there.
3) If you love flying. Keep doing it. You will be happier. Find away to make commuting work. My wife would come with me for quiet reserve weeks and then fly home if I got called. Get a crash pad, buy a car, explore the area while you are sitting reserve, camping trips or whatever that makes you happy. I always thought about buying a 4x4 adventure van, loading all my outdoor toys and living in that while on reserve. (I might do that as if/ when I get recalled I'll be commuting across country again).
This job is great but it's about what you make of it. You have to be versatile and you will reap the rewards. One thing for sure is this Covid19 won't be the last down turn. There will be more in both of our careers. it's how you plan for and your attitude towards the downturns that dictates how happy you will be in this career.
Good luck.
Aitfix
Last edited by domino; 05-25-2020 at 09:25 AM.
05-25-2020, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Airfix
I have a similar story to yours, engineer by trade. I never made it to director level I kept myself in the trenches because I'm not management material and I like to keep my engineering skills up. You can make this flying thing work if you are under 50.
I had been an engineer for 15 years when I switched to flying in 07. I've commuted for 5 years, I've been furloughed from a regional FO position in the depression, Started first year pay a second time ($14,000 per year). Spent 8 years as a regional FO making less than $30,000 per year until I upgraded. I'm now at a major facing furlough and about to turn 50. It's still the best job I've ever had.
Think about the last guy hired at SkyWest in 08. He spent years commuting to the bottom of the list on much less money than you would make. It can be done.
What saved me financially is that every year or two I'd make sure I'd get an engineering contract job to keep my name current in the market place. To begin with my contracts were with my old company because we knew each other. Eventually with 20 years in engineering your list of contacts should be big enough to move on from your old company to new engineering pastures. I get calls every now and then from old contacts asking if I have time to help on a crunch project. I said yes to almost everyone except when I was in an airline training event.
I was able to work my way into part time contract jobs where I would commit to two days a week in the office and additional time as my schedule allowed working on the road or from home. Don't get me wrong, it was hard work and tiring sometimes but it kept me current and now I'm looking at furlough again I already have a gig lined up.
As a bottom of the list guy at a major I can tell you, for me it has been and will be in the future a much more lucrative and enjoyable job than engineering. It IS worth it. The job at the majors was night and day better than the regional.
My advice, and you get what you pay for, is this:
1) Get back in the trenches in engineering. If you can drive a CAD workstation get current. Typically management and project engineering isn't something you can do part time but drawings, designing widgets, stress analysis is. You can add value to a company by creating engineering output. Go back to the stuff you were good at before you became a manager.
2) Branch out from medical. What other engineering companies in different sectors are located close to you? Email contacts you might have that had moved sector. Find out what's out there.
3) If you love flying. Keep doing it. You will be happier. Find away to make commuting work. My wife would come with me for quiet reserve weeks and then fly home if I got called. Get a crash pad, buy a car, explore the area while you are sitting reserve, camping trips or whatever that makes you happy. I always thought about buying a 4x4 adventure van, loading all my outdoor toys and living in that while on reserve. (I might do that as if/ when I get recalled I'll be commuting across country again).
This job is great but it's about what you make of it. You have to be versatile and you will reap the rewards. One thing for sure is this Covid19 won't be the last down turn. There will be more in both of our careers. it's how you plan for and your attitude towards the downturns that dictates how happy you will be in this career.
Good luck.
Aitfix
I had been an engineer for 15 years when I switched to flying in 07. I've commuted for 5 years, I've been furloughed from a regional FO position in the depression, Started first year pay a second time ($14,000 per year). Spent 8 years as a regional FO making less than $30,000 per year until I upgraded. I'm now at a major facing furlough and about to turn 50. It's still the best job I've ever had.
Think about the last guy hired at SkyWest in 08. He spent years commuting to the bottom of the list on much less money than you would make. It can be done.
What saved me financially is that every year or two I'd make sure I'd get an engineering contract job to keep my name current in the market place. To begin with my contracts were with my old company because we knew each other. Eventually with 20 years in engineering your list of contacts should be big enough to move on from your old company to new engineering pastures. I get calls every now and then from old contacts asking if I have time to help on a crunch project. I said yes to almost everyone except when I was in an airline training event.
I was able to work my way into part time contract jobs where I would commit to two days a week in the office and additional time as my schedule allowed working on the road or from home. Don't get me wrong, it was hard work and tiring sometimes but it kept me current and now I'm looking at furlough again I already have a gig lined up.
As a bottom of the list guy at a major I can tell you, for me it has been and will be in the future a much more lucrative and enjoyable job than engineering. It IS worth it. The job at the majors was night and day better than the regional.
My advice, and you get what you pay for, is this:
1) Get back in the trenches in engineering. If you can drive a CAD workstation get current. Typically management and project engineering isn't something you can do part time but drawings, designing widgets, stress analysis is. You can add value to a company by creating engineering output. Go back to the stuff you were good at before you became a manager.
2) Branch out from medical. What other engineering companies in different sectors are located close to you? Email contacts you might have that had moved sector. Find out what's out there.
3) If you love flying. Keep doing it. You will be happier. Find away to make commuting work. My wife would come with me for quiet reserve weeks and then fly home if I got called. Get a crash pad, buy a car, explore the area while you are sitting reserve, camping trips or whatever that makes you happy. I always thought about buying a 4x4 adventure van, loading all my outdoor toys and living in that while on reserve. (I might do that as if/ when I get recalled I'll be commuting across country again).
This job is great but it's about what you make of it. You have to be versatile and you will reap the rewards. One thing for sure is this Covid19 won't be the last down turn. There will be more in both of our careers. it's how you plan for and your attitude towards the downturns that dictates how happy you will be in this career.
Good luck.
Aitfix
this right here is a true living experince post. thanks for this great positive post.😉
05-25-2020, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Airfix
I have a similar story to yours, engineer by trade. I never made it to director level I kept myself in the trenches because I'm not management material and I like to keep my engineering skills up. You can make this flying thing work if you are under 50.
I had been an engineer for 15 years when I switched to flying in 07. I've commuted for 5 years, I've been furloughed from a regional FO position in the depression, Started first year pay a second time ($14,000 per year). Spent 8 years as a regional FO making less than $30,000 per year until I upgraded. I'm now at a major facing furlough and about to turn 50. It's still the best job I've ever had.
Think about the last guy hired at SkyWest in 08. He spent years commuting to the bottom of the list on much less money than you would make. It can be done.
What saved me financially is that every year or two I'd make sure I'd get an engineering contract job to keep my name current in the market place. To begin with my contracts were with my old company because we knew each other. Eventually with 20 years in engineering your list of contacts should be big enough to move on from your old company to new engineering pastures. I get calls every now and then from old contacts asking if I have time to help on a crunch project. I said yes to almost everyone except when I was in an airline training event.
I was able to work my way into part time contract jobs where I would commit to two days a week in the office and additional time as my schedule allowed working on the road or from home. Don't get me wrong, it was hard work and tiring sometimes but it kept me current and now I'm looking at furlough again I already have a gig lined up.
As a bottom of the list guy at a major I can tell you, for me it has been and will be in the future a much more lucrative and enjoyable job than engineering. It IS worth it. The job at the majors was night and day better than the regional.
My advice, and you get what you pay for, is this:
1) Get back in the trenches in engineering. If you can drive a CAD workstation get current. Typically management and project engineering isn't something you can do part time but drawings, designing widgets, stress analysis is. You can add value to a company by creating engineering output. Go back to the stuff you were good at before you became a manager.
2) Branch out from medical. What other engineering companies in different sectors are located close to you? Email contacts you might have that had moved sector. Find out what's out there.
3) If you love flying. Keep doing it. You will be happier. Find away to make commuting work. My wife would come with me for quiet reserve weeks and then fly home if I got called. Get a crash pad, buy a car, explore the area while you are sitting reserve, camping trips or whatever that makes you happy. I always thought about buying a 4x4 adventure van, loading all my outdoor toys and living in that while on reserve. (I might do that as if/ when I get recalled I'll be commuting across country again).
This job is great but it's about what you make of it. You have to be versatile and you will reap the rewards. One thing for sure is this Covid19 won't be the last down turn. There will be more in both of our careers. it's how you plan for and your attitude towards the downturns that dictates how happy you will be in this career.
Good luck.
Aitfix
I had been an engineer for 15 years when I switched to flying in 07. I've commuted for 5 years, I've been furloughed from a regional FO position in the depression, Started first year pay a second time ($14,000 per year). Spent 8 years as a regional FO making less than $30,000 per year until I upgraded. I'm now at a major facing furlough and about to turn 50. It's still the best job I've ever had.
Think about the last guy hired at SkyWest in 08. He spent years commuting to the bottom of the list on much less money than you would make. It can be done.
What saved me financially is that every year or two I'd make sure I'd get an engineering contract job to keep my name current in the market place. To begin with my contracts were with my old company because we knew each other. Eventually with 20 years in engineering your list of contacts should be big enough to move on from your old company to new engineering pastures. I get calls every now and then from old contacts asking if I have time to help on a crunch project. I said yes to almost everyone except when I was in an airline training event.
I was able to work my way into part time contract jobs where I would commit to two days a week in the office and additional time as my schedule allowed working on the road or from home. Don't get me wrong, it was hard work and tiring sometimes but it kept me current and now I'm looking at furlough again I already have a gig lined up.
As a bottom of the list guy at a major I can tell you, for me it has been and will be in the future a much more lucrative and enjoyable job than engineering. It IS worth it. The job at the majors was night and day better than the regional.
My advice, and you get what you pay for, is this:
1) Get back in the trenches in engineering. If you can drive a CAD workstation get current. Typically management and project engineering isn't something you can do part time but drawings, designing widgets, stress analysis is. You can add value to a company by creating engineering output. Go back to the stuff you were good at before you became a manager.
2) Branch out from medical. What other engineering companies in different sectors are located close to you? Email contacts you might have that had moved sector. Find out what's out there.
3) If you love flying. Keep doing it. You will be happier. Find away to make commuting work. My wife would come with me for quiet reserve weeks and then fly home if I got called. Get a crash pad, buy a car, explore the area while you are sitting reserve, camping trips or whatever that makes you happy. I always thought about buying a 4x4 adventure van, loading all my outdoor toys and living in that while on reserve. (I might do that as if/ when I get recalled I'll be commuting across country again).
This job is great but it's about what you make of it. You have to be versatile and you will reap the rewards. One thing for sure is this Covid19 won't be the last down turn. There will be more in both of our careers. it's how you plan for and your attitude towards the downturns that dictates how happy you will be in this career.
Good luck.
Aitfix
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