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#111
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You aren’t missing anything. I’ve been painfully honest about all of this. I was kind of happy when this thread died, but I just wanted to show my appreciation for the sentiments.
Since I last posted on here I’ve met a couple former MEC’s at other regionals and they’ve all said something similar to what you said here. The FAA in my case was actually easier to deal with than OO and SAPA. Even the ASI assigned to me said a union would’ve saved my job, and they recommended remedial training for me as a solution.
I absolutely recommend those currently at OO to get an attorney if you’re ever in a situation that could end in your termination. I was naive in thinking SAPA would help me. They acted like my best friend in conversation, but when it came time during meetings for them to back me up; not a single word was said.
I got a call from the SAPA President who thought they were doing me a favor by saying “get my things in order,” but really he just ended up chastising me for the worst time in my life.
For those outside of SkyWest that might be reading this, and are tired of OO getting benefits from union efforts…stop hiring SAPA Reps at Union Carriers. These people don’t deserve the benefits of having a Union, and just being a part of SAPA in my opinion shows that these people are the ones that would cross picket lines for their own benefit.
Since I last posted on here I’ve met a couple former MEC’s at other regionals and they’ve all said something similar to what you said here. The FAA in my case was actually easier to deal with than OO and SAPA. Even the ASI assigned to me said a union would’ve saved my job, and they recommended remedial training for me as a solution.
I absolutely recommend those currently at OO to get an attorney if you’re ever in a situation that could end in your termination. I was naive in thinking SAPA would help me. They acted like my best friend in conversation, but when it came time during meetings for them to back me up; not a single word was said.
I got a call from the SAPA President who thought they were doing me a favor by saying “get my things in order,” but really he just ended up chastising me for the worst time in my life.
For those outside of SkyWest that might be reading this, and are tired of OO getting benefits from union efforts…stop hiring SAPA Reps at Union Carriers. These people don’t deserve the benefits of having a Union, and just being a part of SAPA in my opinion shows that these people are the ones that would cross picket lines for their own benefit.
Get real dude. You slipped through the cracks and got lucky you didn’t die or get anyone else killed.
#112
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To be fired because of this - that is a massive indictment of of OO's safety culture. Has the concept of "just culture" not yet arrived on your shores? Every operator is having UAS issues. I know for a fact that there have been heavies from career destination airlines in similar situations. While those crews surely had some remediation (and probably some really uncomfortable discussions w/ the FAA), but they were never in danger of losing their jobs unless it could be shown that they were willfully non-compliant and/or careless+reckless. Having an Association lawyer there to represent you when sitting at that conference table with the feds and the company is priceless. Even if you are sure you are not at fault....... Ask me how I know.
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#114
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Undesired Aircraft State could be literally anything, turn on the wrong taxiway, a hydraulic pump left on, flex temp inputted 1 degree off.
The term isn’t at all specific to Loss of Control - in flight / upset recovery and prevention, which he seemed to be implying. Though admittedly it falls under that umbrella…
what does it even mean to say carriers are having “UAS issues” ? That the expectation is flawless performance every flight? Um no. The overwhelming majority of UAS is no where near an emergency situation and often go unnoticed (unlike your condescending tone).
A low altitude upset on the other hand….
That and the more familiar use of the acronym, at least on the FAA website, is the one I mentioned.
for the record I wasn’t trying to refute him and I don’t doubt that carriers are having issues with automation dependence.
The term isn’t at all specific to Loss of Control - in flight / upset recovery and prevention, which he seemed to be implying. Though admittedly it falls under that umbrella…
what does it even mean to say carriers are having “UAS issues” ? That the expectation is flawless performance every flight? Um no. The overwhelming majority of UAS is no where near an emergency situation and often go unnoticed (unlike your condescending tone).
A low altitude upset on the other hand….
That and the more familiar use of the acronym, at least on the FAA website, is the one I mentioned.
for the record I wasn’t trying to refute him and I don’t doubt that carriers are having issues with automation dependence.
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