United's 270 aircraft order
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Where did I say that? The big three will be fine. SkyWest will most likely continue to fly the current number of 70/76 seat planes, but see the CRJ get retired. Considering how many CRJ’s you guys operate for United, their retirement will shrink number of pilots that are needed. I’d expect attrition to take care of the over staffing issues, but it could be a long ride at the bottom for the new hires.
Yea see that’s where this statement goes wrong.
OO is forecasting a doubling of the 175 fleet by the end of 2023 if I remember the earnings call correctly.
Also when a pilot group of 7000+ is in the rumor mill from the right people, I highly doubt this regional attrition like you’re thinking is coming. And that’s only for OO.
What about YX/YV who are talking growth as well?
More narrowbodies = more regional scope right?
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Yea see that’s where this statement goes wrong.
OO is forecasting a doubling of the 175 fleet by the end of 2023 if I remember the earnings call correctly.
Also when a pilot group of 7000+ is in the rumor mill from the right people, I highly doubt this regional attrition like you’re thinking is coming. And that’s only for OO.
What about YX/YV who are talking growth as well?
More narrowbodies = more regional scope right?
OO is forecasting a doubling of the 175 fleet by the end of 2023 if I remember the earnings call correctly.
Also when a pilot group of 7000+ is in the rumor mill from the right people, I highly doubt this regional attrition like you’re thinking is coming. And that’s only for OO.
What about YX/YV who are talking growth as well?
More narrowbodies = more regional scope right?
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Good, they’re a nightmare for both pilots and passengers. Flying piece of garbage with overhauled engines.
I will say, I’ve had a few UA guys on my JS in the past that live in the small northern city’s of Minnesota/Wisconsin, 200 only service, that might be a little nervous today.
I will say, I’ve had a few UA guys on my JS in the past that live in the small northern city’s of Minnesota/Wisconsin, 200 only service, that might be a little nervous today.
#15
United's 270 aircraft order
I don’t doubt the future of SkyWest. It is an extremely well run corporate entity and you may increase flying for another partner. I am referring to reduction on the UAX side. More NB doesn’t mean more scope necessarily, at least on the United side of the house. United didn’t order a NSNB, so there are no more available 70/76 seat jets. As United NB block hours increase, the allowable UAX block hours increase as well using the current number of 70/76 seat jets. They can only fly so many hours in a day, so with the CRJ gone, the possible block hours for United will be reduced (assuming the current number of 70/76 seaters).
Ok non-facetious & serious question….
I’m not following your logic.
You’re saying that when NB block increases, then UAX block increases. Yup, got it.
Then you’re saying when 200’s/145’s disappear, the block hours just disappear as well?
With an increase of UAX block hours & a decrease of 50-seat block hours, wouldn’t that create a 2 fold vacuum for 70/76 seat block hours?
In your hypothesized situation, there would be the exact opportunity I’m talking about for an increase in UAX 175 flying with the loss of 200//145’s and an increase in total UANB/UAX block hours.
You said it yourself… an increase in total UAX block.
I think the press release was very carefully worded to leave out the 70/76 seat birds because something is coming.
We’re also hearing this from senior UA captains riding in jumpseats.
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Ok non-facetious & serious question….
I’m not following your logic.
You’re saying that when NB block increases, then UAX block increases. Yup, got it.
Then you’re saying when 200’s/145’s disappear, the block hours just disappear as well?
With an increase of UAX block hours & a decrease of 50-seat block hours, wouldn’t that create a 2 fold vacuum for 70/76 seat block hours?
In your hypothesized situation, there would be the exact opportunity I’m talking about for an increase in UAX 175 flying with the loss of 200//145’s and an increase in total UANB/UAX block hours.
You said it yourself… an increase in total UAX block.
I think the press release was very carefully worded to leave out the 70/76 seat birds because something is coming.
We’re also hearing this from senior UA captains riding in jumpseats.
I’m not following your logic.
You’re saying that when NB block increases, then UAX block increases. Yup, got it.
Then you’re saying when 200’s/145’s disappear, the block hours just disappear as well?
With an increase of UAX block hours & a decrease of 50-seat block hours, wouldn’t that create a 2 fold vacuum for 70/76 seat block hours?
In your hypothesized situation, there would be the exact opportunity I’m talking about for an increase in UAX 175 flying with the loss of 200//145’s and an increase in total UANB/UAX block hours.
You said it yourself… an increase in total UAX block.
I think the press release was very carefully worded to leave out the 70/76 seat birds because something is coming.
We’re also hearing this from senior UA captains riding in jumpseats.
I wouldn’t hold my breath for the relaxation of scope. The rumored additional big rj’s was to come from a NSNB order, not United pilots voting to relax scope.
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Ok non-facetious & serious question….
I’m not following your logic.
You’re saying that when NB block increases, then UAX block increases. Yup, got it.
Then you’re saying when 200’s/145’s disappear, the block hours just disappear as well?
With an increase of UAX block hours & a decrease of 50-seat block hours, wouldn’t that create a 2 fold vacuum for 70/76 seat block hours?
In your hypothesized situation, there would be the exact opportunity I’m talking about for an increase in UAX 175 flying with the loss of 200//145’s and an increase in total UANB/UAX block hours.
You said it yourself… an increase in total UAX block.
I think the press release was very carefully worded to leave out the 70/76 seat birds because something is coming.
We’re also hearing this from senior UA captains riding in jumpseats.
I’m not following your logic.
You’re saying that when NB block increases, then UAX block increases. Yup, got it.
Then you’re saying when 200’s/145’s disappear, the block hours just disappear as well?
With an increase of UAX block hours & a decrease of 50-seat block hours, wouldn’t that create a 2 fold vacuum for 70/76 seat block hours?
In your hypothesized situation, there would be the exact opportunity I’m talking about for an increase in UAX 175 flying with the loss of 200//145’s and an increase in total UANB/UAX block hours.
You said it yourself… an increase in total UAX block.
I think the press release was very carefully worded to leave out the 70/76 seat birds because something is coming.
We’re also hearing this from senior UA captains riding in jumpseats.
Yes, reduction of 50 seat planes means more block open to 70/76 but even though there are more block hours available, we've maxed out of the number of 70/76 seat aircraft in how the UA scope is written today.
#18
Available UAX block hours are set according to a percentage of United NB block hours. Scope caps the number of 70/76 seat aircraft but not 50 seat jets (they are only subject to the total block hour restriction). Prior to COVID the max allowable block hours wasn’t an issue since they didn’t hit the bar with the restricted number of 70/76 seaters and the large number of 50 seaters that were operating. Now, with the removal of the 50 seat jets, their ability to hit the number will be even further restricted. The allowable block hours will increase, but with the single class 50 seater gone/severely reduced, the current 70/76 seat jets can only fly so many hours in a day, and UAX block hours actually flown will go down even though allowable hours increase.
I wouldn’t hold my breath for the relaxation of scope. The rumored additional big rj’s was to come from a NSNB order, not United pilots voting to relax scope.
I wouldn’t hold my breath for the relaxation of scope. The rumored additional big rj’s was to come from a NSNB order, not United pilots voting to relax scope.
Ok that makes more sense, thanks for the clarification.
Smaller regional/larger mainline presence means more jobs more to the other side of the ledger which I don’t think anyone would have a problem with.
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Available UAX block hours are set according to a percentage of United NB block hours. Scope caps the number of 70/76 seat aircraft but not 50 seat jets (they are only subject to the total block hour restriction). Prior to COVID the max allowable block hours wasn’t an issue since they didn’t hit the bar with the restricted number of 70/76 seaters and the large number of 50 seaters that were operating. Now, with the removal of the 50 seat jets, their ability to hit the number will be even further restricted. The allowable block hours will increase, but with the single class 50 seater gone/severely reduced, the current 70/76 seat jets can only fly so many hours in a day, and UAX block hours actually flown will go down even though allowable hours increase.
I wouldn’t hold my breath for the relaxation of scope. The rumored additional big rj’s was to come from a NSNB order, not United pilots voting to relax scope.
I wouldn’t hold my breath for the relaxation of scope. The rumored additional big rj’s was to come from a NSNB order, not United pilots voting to relax scope.
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To qualify as a 50 seat jet the seating configuration has to be 50 or less and a weight of 65,000 lbs or less. UALPA will not allow the weight to be changed. According to what I’ve read, the single class 50 seat jets are being phased out, but the 550’s are going to be around for a while.
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