R0GER BALL

I’m not begrudging any pilot for divert decision making when the outcome is a positive one.

As far as the sleeping on a plane… How is this SO different from the pilots who slept in the DEN airport a couple weeks ago because the company didn’t have hotel rooms for them. Or the commuters sleeping on the crew room couches because we don’t have a commuter policy….

TFAYD

enjoying those new reserve rules that SAPA voted in? Yeah, they really just rubber stamping what is handed down by TG.

ninerdriver

Your company has planes and pilots in DEN. They could send a plane anywhere in the west where there are hotel rooms, yet they let crews sleep in the airport instead?

JacksonThunder

What a pathetic place to work. There are hotels in Denver come on.

KirillTheThrill

So just to confirm is SkyWest the only airline that has ready reserve rules? Nobody likes ready it’s absolute BS. I’m also most likely a yes vote, but your typical rhetoric/chirping holds no merit as all these regionals with unions have the same BS rules, if not worse.

Don’t act like the $hit doesn’t stop stinking once you’re suddenly a union employee.

Guys/gals get sent to the street, and what did they get out of their 2%? Some sorry ass email by some intern about how “they where here for you” while collecting unemployment.

KirillTheThrill

He’s some troll, never brings any real insight to a conversation, wouldn’t bother responding to the kid.

Firebox

GJT ran out of ramp/taxi space so we also diverted to Hayden. Actually ran into that CA on the ground. Luckily we got refueled and headed to Denver. That crew probably timed out and couldn’t get hotel rooms for the night. Unfortunate. Crap happens.

gojo

I’m curious as to what those that leave Skywest and go to a major or LCC think about their unions? I mean I’m pretty sure that joining them and supporting them if there’s a union on property is not mandatory? If you’re really worried about a tax deductible 2% just don’t pay it, right? Skywest, as well as the rest of the industry enjoys or benefits from many things that those unions work hard for. I can’t even imagine what this industry would be like without them? Especially with their work in the safety arena. To do that work for the betterment of the industry costs money. Are they perfect? No. They still have to try to work with upper management on contract issues and enforcement. And that can be challenging. But to me it still looks like they’d have your back more so than an association within the company?
I’m just trying to understand the mindset at Skywest

rickair7777

At face value, FAR 117 would not consider any of those to be an adequate rest facility. But a pilot could make a case that he got good rest, and that might hold up if there was nothing to obviously contradict it.

Would the FAA call you on it? Probably only if something bad happened.

rickair7777

ALPA Mesa was famous for crews routinely sleeping on planes back in the day... it took a media campaign to put a stop to it. Pre-social media, so a guy made a video documentary and mailed it to to local TV stations in towns served by this practice.

But this isn't OO policy, it was an IROP and the CA failed to man up and insist on adequate rest facilities, and then failed to call fatigued. But who knows, maybe they did get good rest. I guarantee you nobody called the FODO, they just let the midnight shift in CS jerk them around.