Pilot forced to sleep on plane?
07-26-2021, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream
Pretty sure we’re just trying to avoid a lawsuit or else they would probably be gone already, but this might be the nail in the coffin. Just had a trip with one of the FA’s who was on ioe and JT didn’t take the jump to let the trainee onto the rescue flight.. she ended up being left behind alone. Not sure why the lead FA didn’t let her on the rescue flight instead.. just a sad situation.
07-26-2021, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream
Pretty sure we’re just trying to avoid a lawsuit or else they would probably be gone already, but this might be the nail in the coffin. Just had a trip with one of the FA’s who was on ioe and JT didn’t take the jump to let the trainee onto the rescue flight.. she ended up being left behind alone. Not sure why the lead FA didn’t let her on the rescue flight instead.. just a sad situation.
07-26-2021, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Firebox
GJT ran out of ramp/taxi space so we also diverted to Hayden. Actually ran into that CA on the ground. Luckily we got refueled and headed to Denver. That crew probably timed out and couldn’t get hotel rooms for the night. Unfortunate. Crap happens.
07-26-2021, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBekkestad
Why didn't they positive space them if it is a rescue flight. This is a tricky on... we are not supposed to give up PS for a JS to let someone on...
07-27-2021, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyBekkestad
Why didn't they positive space them if it is a rescue flight. This is a tricky on... we are not supposed to give up PS for a JS to let someone on...
Yes technically if we are not on Skywest we are not supposed to move into the JS, while on Skywest we can be asked to do it and it is our discretion whether we do or don't.
If they were PS'd on mainline UAL, the Captain could have Canx'd the Deadhead and taken the JS. Would've been paid for the Canx'd leg, would've received Per Diem for the Time until the Flight arrived in DEN. From the crew's perspective everything would have been the same. Since the Captain was being a dick about it, a good FO should
Still not so sure why everyone seems to be having such a problem with using Hayden as the Divert field. What was the WX in HDN? I've been in there a few times and it wasn't that bad, Sure in the Winter time with a close Temp/Dew Point the fog can kick in, and the winds can make it suck really bad, but I've had worse Turbulence into DEN SEA and RNO.
What was the WX in BFF? Was there ramp space in BFF? Does BFF have ground handling equipment to support an RON of a 175? It's listed as a Divert and Fueling field in the OpsSpec, But can they handle an overnight there of a crew that will time out?
Someone else mentioned GJT had no ramp space. How was LAR, GCC, RAP? Did Mainline fill up COS, or was the weather system affecting them too? How many other planes did the massive cluster, and where was this crew in the Congo Line? Monday morning quarterbacking where someone successfully diverts is insulting, especially when you have none of the facts about what else was going on in the area. Jumping to conclusions that this crew flew the airplane and passengers out after sleeping in the airplane shows a serious lack of critical reading skills
Was this Captain wrong in posting the sleeping on the plane story on social media, and not helping out the rest of the crew afterwards? yep and I hope Skywest takes action, but the decision to divert to HDN is the least of my concerns about this whole incident/
07-27-2021, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream
Honestly I heard this right before we got to our last leg of the day so I might be remembering this wrong, it was a mainline UA and none of them were PS, so this particular individual spent an extra night in HDN. It’s okay though, they have a cjo to WN now lol
A CJO can still be revoked pretty easily.
07-27-2021, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
I’m curious as to what those that leave Skywest and go to a major or LCC think about their unions? I mean I’m pretty sure that joining them and supporting them if there’s a union on property is not mandatory? If you’re really worried about a tax deductible 2% just don’t pay it, right? Skywest, as well as the rest of the industry enjoys or benefits from many things that those unions work hard for. I can’t even imagine what this industry would be like without them? Especially with their work in the safety arena. To do that work for the betterment of the industry costs money. Are they perfect? No. They still have to try to work with upper management on contract issues and enforcement. And that can be challenging. But to me it still looks like they’d have your back more so than an association within the company?
I’m just trying to understand the mindset at Skywest
I’m just trying to understand the mindset at Skywest
Unions eventually get a lot of things pushed into the contract that don't really benefit the members much but are extensive to the company. They become more expensive than other companies and go out of business. In the 90s USAir's contract made them 24% less efficient than other pilot groups. That caused them to shrink and shrink and shrink. I never saw much benefit to the pilots from these things.
07-28-2021, 07:43 AM
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