CRJ IOE wait time
05-07-2022, 03:21 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy99
While that is all true, I just don’t think that pushing a lot of new hires through training and having them sit out 4-6 months while paying them is very cost effective for the company, and that’s not including the sim time we’ll need for requalification and all of the accommodations that come with that.
I don’t mind getting paid to sit around and do nothing, but I’m not sure it’s doing much to help. I feel maybe putting a couple FOs on IOE every other week would balance it out a bit if the LCA staffing becomes sufficient
I don’t mind getting paid to sit around and do nothing, but I’m not sure it’s doing much to help. I feel maybe putting a couple FOs on IOE every other week would balance it out a bit if the LCA staffing becomes sufficient
05-07-2022, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Utah
Management has been stockpiling pilots for years. Several years ago it was primarily ERJ FOs. They're afraid that if they don't hire you, someone else will. Sitting around waiting on IOE while getting paid or on reserve and not flying doesn't make much difference to them.
05-07-2022, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy99
Are they also afraid of new hires leaving to other carriers during the wait? Genuine question. It just seems like it go either way. If anything, it’s more detrimental to the company to lose an employee they invested in vs miss the opportunity to hire one
The number of eligible FOs with a bid in for upgrade (on both platforms) is nearly zero. Handful have post-summer dates. Remains that way for the next four/five months. Why get you thru training? You won’t have a captain to fly with until winter.
05-07-2022, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by R0GER BALL
They have much bigger problems then new hire FOs jumping ship. Senior FOs leaving without upgrading for instance.
The number of eligible FOs with a bid in for upgrade (on both platforms) is nearly zero. Handful have post-summer dates. Remains that way for the next four/five months. Why get you thru training? You won’t have a captain to fly with until winter.
The number of eligible FOs with a bid in for upgrade (on both platforms) is nearly zero. Handful have post-summer dates. Remains that way for the next four/five months. Why get you thru training? You won’t have a captain to fly with until winter.
It’s true they have much bigger problems now and the near future, but if a good amount of new hire FOs jump ship then now they have a long term problem. Not only that but the training pipeline will slow down if it hasn’t already and so will their hiring inevitably. Even if they do hire CRJ new hires, many will go elsewhere if given a sooner start date.
I rather sit on reserve and not fly a lot, but still fly somewhat than end up sitting for 6 months not flying at all. Especially, as a new hire and I’m sure I speak for many others but not flying or being in a sim for such a long time will degrade proficiency, this causing extra IOE and extra training if need be. There’s only so much you can read and study, in the end it boils down to physically doing it.
Last edited by FlyGuy99; 05-07-2022 at 05:03 PM.
05-07-2022, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy99
Senior FOs and even those who upgrade to CA will be leaving indefinitely regardless with the current rate of hiring going on at the ULCCs and Majors.
It’s true they have much bigger problems now and the near future, but if a good amount of new hire FOs jump ship then now they have a long term problem. Not only that but the training pipeline will slow down if it hasn’t already and so will their hiring inevitably. Even if they do hire CRJ new hires, many will go elsewhere if given a sooner start date.
I rather sit on reserve and not fly a lot, but still fly somewhat than end up sitting for 6 months not flying at all. Especially, as a new hire and I’m sure I speak for many others but not flying or being in a sim for such a long time will degrade proficiency, this causing extra IOE and extra training if need be. There’s only so much you can read and study, in the end it boils down to physically doing it.
It’s true they have much bigger problems now and the near future, but if a good amount of new hire FOs jump ship then now they have a long term problem. Not only that but the training pipeline will slow down if it hasn’t already and so will their hiring inevitably. Even if they do hire CRJ new hires, many will go elsewhere if given a sooner start date.
I rather sit on reserve and not fly a lot, but still fly somewhat than end up sitting for 6 months not flying at all. Especially, as a new hire and I’m sure I speak for many others but not flying or being in a sim for such a long time will degrade proficiency, this causing extra IOE and extra training if need be. There’s only so much you can read and study, in the end it boils down to physically doing it.
05-07-2022, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by domino
very likely. It’s a full on ¥££¥show at the moment. Can’t go on like this forever….
05-07-2022, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy99
Funny enough, I got a hold of the IOE supervisor this beautiful Saturday morning somehow. They weren’t able to give me a timeline nor really any information different since I last spoke to them a month ago
05-07-2022, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tippy
People waiting months for IOE meanwhile I have worked 5 full trips with LCAs in the last couple months and have another one next week they aren't utilizing.
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