Every eligible FO to be upgraded by year end
10-06-2022, 07:12 PM
#51
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Originally Posted by domino
yup. But AA isn’t about to collapse due to a destructive policy. Enjoy floating to the surface when the ship finally sinks. The smart are BAILING. Not sailing.
10-06-2022, 07:43 PM
#53
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Originally Posted by PorkyMcFuzz
AA has been on the verge for other reasons for some time. I highly doubt OO will sink but if the hiring continues for another 2-3 years with no economic induced slowdown they will encounter some major operational “shrinkage”
10-06-2022, 08:14 PM
#54
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Originally Posted by amcnd
use to be up or out. Thats no longer the case. You still have to then pass a FO check ride!! Same thing as your “failed” Captain one. But from the right seat… So I'm not sure how you can fail upgrade yet be ok doing the same ride from the right seat..
10-06-2022, 09:22 PM
#55
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Originally Posted by trip
I heard less then 400 F/Os are actually upgrade eligible, the pain will go deep.
10-06-2022, 09:34 PM
#56
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Hello, I am joining OO soon as F/O E170 having 7,5K foreign hours, almost all acquired in airlines, 3K+ jet PIC.
I know that all of these costs nothing to 121 experience and I will have to log 1000 hours here as a F/O before upgrading like any other guy for whom it is a first airline in his life.
I have only one question for those who may know. On SkyWestOnline “Flight Hours” section there was an option to file either Part-91/135/121 experience or Foreign Flag Carrier. Does it mean that these hours could be counted for necessary 1000 for further upgrade?
Regards
I know that all of these costs nothing to 121 experience and I will have to log 1000 hours here as a F/O before upgrading like any other guy for whom it is a first airline in his life.
I have only one question for those who may know. On SkyWestOnline “Flight Hours” section there was an option to file either Part-91/135/121 experience or Foreign Flag Carrier. Does it mean that these hours could be counted for necessary 1000 for further upgrade?
Regards
10-07-2022, 06:14 AM
#57
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Originally Posted by Iurii
Hello, I am joining OO soon as F/O E170 having 7,5K foreign hours, almost all acquired in airlines, 3K+ jet PIC.
I know that all of these costs nothing to 121 experience and I will have to log 1000 hours here as a F/O before upgrading like any other guy for whom it is a first airline in his life.
I have only one question for those who may know. On SkyWestOnline “Flight Hours” section there was an option to file either Part-91/135/121 experience or Foreign Flag Carrier. Does it mean that these hours could be counted for necessary 1000 for further upgrade?
Regards
I know that all of these costs nothing to 121 experience and I will have to log 1000 hours here as a F/O before upgrading like any other guy for whom it is a first airline in his life.
I have only one question for those who may know. On SkyWestOnline “Flight Hours” section there was an option to file either Part-91/135/121 experience or Foreign Flag Carrier. Does it mean that these hours could be counted for necessary 1000 for further upgrade?
Regards
§ 121.436 Pilot Qualification: Certificates and experience requirements.
Link to an amendment published at 87 FR 57590, Sept. 21, 2022.(a) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as pilot in command of an aircraft (or as second in command of an aircraft in a flag or supplemental operation that requires three or more pilots) unless the pilot:
(1) Holds an airline transport pilot certificate not subject to the limitations in § 61.167 of this chapter;
(2) Holds an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown; and
(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required
Link to an amendment published at 87 FR 57590, Sept. 21, 2022.(a) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as pilot in command of an aircraft (or as second in command of an aircraft in a flag or supplemental operation that requires three or more pilots) unless the pilot:
(1) Holds an airline transport pilot certificate not subject to the limitations in § 61.167 of this chapter;
(2) Holds an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown; and
(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under § 91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required
10-07-2022, 06:19 AM
#58
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Originally Posted by 510Club
SAPA forums report that management says it’s actually about 700 eligible FOs. Wouldn’t doubt that they end up with about 400 with how many will dip to a major/quit/fail upgrade before the end of the year
Like I said, it isn’t personal and it isn’t punitive. It’s just math.
10-07-2022, 07:26 AM
#59
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Originally Posted by Str8 Cash Homie
So you work for Mesa but you’re trying to claim you have a clue on the schedules at SkyWest?
Dude. We are BLOCKING in the 90s. Not CREDITING. PBS gives us access to “bid transparency” where we can look over everyone’s assigned schedules for the month.
Dude. We are BLOCKING in the 90s. Not CREDITING. PBS gives us access to “bid transparency” where we can look over everyone’s assigned schedules for the month.
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