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Old 04-24-2015, 08:41 AM
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Old 04-24-2015, 08:44 AM
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I'd rather try (and have). But the futility is hard to ignore...I've come to the conclusion that the only solution is to GTFO and leave the lifers to take their chances. The regional system has been carefully bred and evolved to function exactly the way it does. The only way to win is to not play...bonus points if you know (without google) where that quote came from .
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:04 AM
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Where are they all going? I know we lost a lot to F9, but I don't think they are even taking apps currently. Are they all military guys just checking a box so they can go to DL?
I have heard there are some military that are getting called during training. But nobody really know where people are going. Sometimes you can ask around. Our old SAPA site had some info but it wasn't updated very often. Most airlines will send out monthly reports, but I don't think they want to broadcast how many we are losing. They would rather just tell everyone that we are happy to welcome our 40 new hires and how our recruiters are really busy. We don't mention how our washout rate in increasing (or that we are increasing our attrition in TRG) or that our booth at FAPA was a ghost town.

If that information was known, then maybe our pilot group would realize they are going to have to increase 1st year pay to get people here regardless if we vote for it. Keeping us in the dark allows them to let us think we are a 3% pay increase away from being the next Comair. We don't want to look at other departments and realize there are several ways that we could save 10-15% and improve our QOL, but that would require us to do it a different way. SGU has just decided to stop working with the pilot group as a partner and would rather just send out emails to subtly keep the pressure on us, while CC sends Forbes an email telling them how safety is our #1 priority.
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:08 AM
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Brutal week for attrition. Lost 21 pilots this week. Only 4 Captains but 17 FO's. 10 of those FO's were in training. Does it matter if we are filling our classes if we are losing so many before they hit the line?? And how much is this costing the company to waste the time spent on training when we are not getting any ROI on these pilots?

March was the first month in awhile where we lost more FO's than CA's (21 CA vs 24 FO), but so far this month we are losing 2 FO's for every CA (15 CA vs 29 FO) My estimates show about 250 hired, but it looks like we have lost a total of 170 pilots since the beginning of the year, so a net gain of around 80. Again, these are just what I have been able to gather but by no means are the 100% accurate since the company or SAPA doesn't provide these numbers consistently.
My number has gone up 145 spots since mid-November. That's an average of 29 a month. There are not that many guys below me on the seniority list. How did you come up with 170 pilots?
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:23 AM
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Wild ass question: chances of a new hire getting SFO right away? Can I request it as part of being hired, getting it in writing? I am a returning 121 older pilot, not a hobbyist, but have to stay in the bay area. Commuting is really not an option. Thought of Compass where I'd supposedly be a near street hire captain, but would have to commute to LAX. Also, Skywest needs to do the $30-$36 hour first year pay to get me in. Considering the business acumen I've seen, heard, or read about the regionals, my base request and money expectations probably wouldn't line up, no matter how badly they need to get any pilots in the door.
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
I'd rather try (and have). But the futility is hard to ignore...I've come to the conclusion that the only solution is to GTFO and leave the lifers to take their chances. The regional system has been carefully bred and evolved to function exactly the way it does. The only way to win is to not play...bonus points if you know (without google) where that quote came from .
I had to Google it.
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:29 AM
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
I'd rather try (and have). But the futility is hard to ignore...I've come to the conclusion that the only solution is to GTFO and leave the lifers to take their chances. The regional system has been carefully bred and evolved to function exactly the way it does. The only way to win is to not play...bonus points if you know (without google) where that quote came from .

It sounds like something out of The Matrix. But I get what you are saying. My only thing is that while you are there, you might as well try. Just education makes a difference.
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by chazbird View Post
Wild ass question: chances of a new hire getting SFO right away? Can I request it as part of being hired, getting it in writing? I am a returning 121 older pilot, not a hobbyist, but have to stay in the bay area. Commuting is really not an option. Thought of Compass where I'd supposedly be a near street hire captain, but would have to commute to LAX. Also, Skywest needs to do the $30-$36 hour first year pay to get me in. Considering the business acumen I've seen, heard, or read about the regionals, my base request and money expectations probably wouldn't line up, no matter how badly they need to get any pilots in the door.
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Old 04-24-2015, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by chazbird View Post
Wild ass question: chances of a new hire getting SFO right away? Can I request it as part of being hired, getting it in writing? I am a returning 121 older pilot, not a hobbyist, but have to stay in the bay area. Commuting is really not an option. Thought of Compass where I'd supposedly be a near street hire captain, but would have to commute to LAX. Also, Skywest needs to do the $30-$36 hour first year pay to get me in. Considering the business acumen I've seen, heard, or read about the regionals, my base request and money expectations probably wouldn't line up, no matter how badly they need to get any pilots in the door.
Nobody will guarantee a base, because that would violate their seniority system, ie if a senior pilots wants an opening in SFO they cannot ignore him and give it to a new-hire.

It was common in the past for folks to go to mesa, hoping for a certain equipment/base and then simply walk out of training if they didn't get it. You could always do that. A better option, given all the movement, would be take what you get and then bid into SFO in a month or three. If the music stops for some reason and you got stuck in MSP you could always quit.
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