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PilotJ3 11-28-2012 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1301152)
Airlines will hire right up till they furlough. I hope AA doesn't cut Eagle any more than they have but until the dust settles from their C11 the jury's out. One thing is for sure, this AA recall with flow-ups and potential hiring will help Eagle offload some of their higher priced labor making them a bit more competitive.

I'd say that we haven't heard anything from our management until AA pilots sign the TA. They would not like to **** them off being so close to a contract (finally). I think (and is just a thought) that we will get bigger airplanes, probably CR900 at the beginning until they have a E175 program running. Once that happens we might get rid of most of the 50 seaters. Again is just my thought.


Only the time will tell.

SaltyDog 11-28-2012 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by duvie (Post 1300647)
Guido Verduci,
I would highly encourage giving SkyWest a shot. As an enlisted member of the guard, getting time off for the military is a virtually no questions asked process. You fax in a sheet of paper with your dates and they take the trips off your schedule. If you're gone more than 30 days they'll need a copy of your orders.

Duvie,
Technical point on USERRA. An employer is allowed to ask for documentation of military service after 31 days, but the documentation does not need to be your orders. Any employer can demand, ask, whatever, but we are not obligated to provide orders as proof of service. I often recommend a letter from the unit because it can be more accurate. (Multiple sets of short, but continuous sets of orders ( AT/ADT/Drills, etc combinations that end up exceeding 31 days)
In the form of a FAQ from 4312:
Is an employer entitled to proof that military duty actually performed?

Yes. USERRA provides that following periods of military service of 31 days or more, the returning employee must, upon the employer's request, provide documentation that establishes length and character of the service (Honorable or dishonorable) and the timeliness of the application for reemployment. Reemployment may not be delayed, however, if such documentation does not exist or is not readily available. In general, the following documents have been determined by the Secretary of Labor to satisfy proof of eligibility for reemployment: discharge papers, leave and earnings statements, school completion certificate, endorsed orders, or a letter from a proper military authority. While USERRA does not address documentation of shorter periods of military service, if doubt exists, an employer could contact the employee's military command with questions about a specific period of service. (Section 4312).

Moonwolf 11-28-2012 09:45 PM

It's doom and gloom at Eagle. sorry friends saying they are number whatever on the list. Eagle will be spun off, planes they have are leaving, time to hang up the towel. I know people who are leaving eagle to become garbage truck drivers. Doom and gloom. sorry to be the party pooper.

lakehouse 11-29-2012 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 1301209)
It's doom and gloom at Eagle. sorry friends saying they are number whatever on the list. Eagle will be spun off, planes they have are leaving, time to hang up the towel. I know people who are leaving eagle to become garbage truck drivers. Doom and gloom. sorry to be the party pooper.

Hope your one of the guys who left Eagle for RAH :p:p.

Seriously though think Expressjet, thats the model Eagle is following. If hiring for regionals gets bad enough they might not even spin the place off in the end imho.

SKYWCRJCA 11-29-2012 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1301339)
Hope your one of the guys who left Eagle for RAH :p:p.

Seriously though think Expressjet, thats the model Eagle is following. If hiring for regionals gets bad enough they might not even spin the place off in the end imho.

Expressjet? Is that the same model that put them in bankruptcy? The reality is that Eagle has been operating in a vacuum of safety not having to bid for flying. That's now changing and Eagle is way late to the regional scrap war. Best of luck with your AA flow through, last time that happened more than 2000 were hired off the street while only 40 flowed. Flow through from the company perpesctive is a training nightmare.

MatchPoint 11-29-2012 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1301181)
I'd say that we haven't heard anything from our management until AA pilots sign the TA. They would not like to **** them off being so close to a contract (finally). I think (and is just a thought) that we will get bigger airplanes, probably CR900 at the beginning until they have a E175 program running. Once that happens we might get rid of most of the 50 seaters. Again is just my thought.


Only the time will tell.

AA want's more operators to whipsaw against each other much like Delta, US and UA. That’s the model AA’s shooting for which is not good for Eagle. IMO I think AA’s executives plan to give the contracts for larger equipment to other carriers while Eagle parks smaller jets helping AA control feeder cost.

I see shrinking in Eagles future. As for ExpressJet, being spun off didn’t exactly work out for them and until Inc. purchased them their future wasn’t so bright.

I do wish all at Eagle the best of luck and for your sake I hope I’m wrong. We’ll see…… I hope I get an “I told you so” from you in a few years.

N927EV 11-29-2012 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1301446)
AA want's more operators to whipsaw against each other much like Delta, US and UA. That’s the model AA’s shooting for which is not good for Eagle. IMO I think AA’s executives plan to give the contracts for larger equipment to other carriers while Eagle parks smaller jets helping AA control feeder cost.

I see shrinking in Eagles future. As for ExpressJet, being spun off didn’t exactly work out for them and until Inc. purchased them their future wasn’t so bright.

I do wish all at Eagle the best of luck and for your sake I hope I’m wrong. We’ll see…… I hope I get an “I told you so” from you in a few years.

I have to disagree. We will shrink, but not as much as everyone seems to be hoping for. Looking at the furlough protection from the AIP and stuff the union can tell us, it looks like we'll shrink to around 200 airframes before growing to around 240 airframes in 4 years. Most growth for "Eagle" will be from outsourced airlines. E-Jets won't come to L-Eagle for years; if ever. I believe the grand plan is for us to do about 2/3s of the feed for AA when all is said and done.
Also, flowthroughs and general attrition will alleviate having to furlough. They want to hire 100 this years and 400 next year. I agree with the "hire til you fire" philosophy, but if the plan was for eagle to shrink that quick, they wouldn't be so pro active in hiring so many.

RJ Pilot 11-29-2012 09:55 AM

There will be NO regionals in 5yrs.

What 11-29-2012 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by MatchPoint (Post 1301152)
Airlines will hire right up till they furlough. I hope AA doesn't cut Eagle any more than they have but until the dust settles from their C11 the jury's out. One thing is for sure, this AA recall with flow-ups and potential hiring will help Eagle offload some of their higher priced labor making them a bit more competitive.

Higher priced!!! SKW, ASA, EXJ, Pinnacle, Airwisky and RAH all have senior pilot groups... Stop buying into this whole senior crap! The airlines I just mentioned compose close to 75% of the regional feed! The Transtates Holdings regionals have lower longevity because they haven't been around that long but as a whole we are compared to those two regionals and told how expensive we are, stop that mentality.

amcnd 11-29-2012 10:19 AM

AA has no money to buy planes for Eagle, they don't want to pay there lump sum to AA pilots. Eagle has always had "monopoly money".. And now they have to compete with the likes of SkyWest, Gojet, Republic ect.... Gona be a hard sell to get a "huge" order of aircraft... AA will spilt any new planes 4 ways... But the reductions will hit Eagle harder then others. The "flow up" to AA will help.. If you still believe in that "urban myth"


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