FYI, I'm talking about a TA between the company and L-XJT, not a JCBA TA. I agree with you though. With PInnacle and Eagle going down the tubes arbitration will be kind to nobody but the company.

The only reason they are doing this is to put downward pressure on the ASA 900 rate. Mark my words, the L-XJT side will never actually see placement of a CRJ700/900. It's a strong arm negotiating tactic. The "militant" L-XJT pilots have that idiotic clause about arbitration on new types, and management is exploiting it. They know an arbitrator will impose a rate well below the current ASA rate, which will eventually become part of a blended rate JCBA.

Incorrect.

Correct.

Ya think?

Define "well below"

I'm curious because ASA 700/900 rates are very close to XJT E145 rates. You think an arbitrator will tell L-XJT to fly large RJs for less than 50 pay? That's the only way the rates will be well below.

What I think is happening is management realizes that a JCBA won't happen due to irreconcilable differences between the MECs so the business has to continue with two separate lists. L-XJT will eventually need large RJs and the rates will allow them to place the E175 there.

ding ding ding ding, we have a winner. While both sides bicker over Flight-line/ SmartPref, our side is putting rates in place that will all but guarantee any new A/C come on the ERJ side. It's like a voluntary race to the bottom. We continue to fight with each other, management takes advantage and negotiates a "cost competitive" rate for larger A/C on the ERJ side. I would venture to say the best thing the joint group can do at this point (being WE WILL NEVER ALL AGREE ON A PBS) is to flip a coin (heads SmartPref, tails Flightline) and move forward................ I say that in jest but in reality I don't see both groups ever coming together on one system.

What you think? Based on what experience beyond being a forum junkie? Ever sat in on an arbitration? I have. Many. Your opinion is wrong.

Arbitrators look at industry standard and precedent. PCL now maxes at $87/hr on the 900. The current 50 seat rate is irrelevant to the arbitrator. His job is to look at the industry standard 900 rate.

First of all, Joe, don't say "we" since you've tendered your resignation.

Second of all, as a member of the XJT MEC are you admitting on a public forum that your MEC is "Acting in any manner to circumvent, defeat or interfere with collective bargaining between the Association and an employer or with existing collective bargaining agreements."? (Article VIII, ALPA C&BL) Really? Say it ain't so Joe.

So you're saying that L-XJT will get 76 seat rates below 50 seat rates?

First of all, don't get all salty with me because I decided to leave XJT and further enhance my career. last I checked I am still a member of the MEC and will continue to represent my pilots until February 28th.........

Yeah, keep dreaming............That is not what I said, at all. We both know who is responsible for blowing this whole thing up and why............It is impossible to move forward and agree on anything when your side is unwilling to move on anything................It's called negotiations, give a little, take a little. So far the only side that has budged has been ours.

Anyway, just because I am leaving doesn't mean I don't care what happens to this place. I have been an elected REP since one week after getting off probation five and a half years ago. I thought we would have a joint contract a long time ago and have MANY MANY friends that have a lot riding on ExpressJet succeeding. I hope both sides can figure out something and move forward sooner rather than later

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