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09-22-2017, 06:32 PM
#8461
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 260
Seems more sad than anything that it takes 18 years to attain that pay scale, which is still less than the YEAR 2 FO hourly rate at UA/DL/AA.
09-22-2017, 10:58 PM
#8462
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 443
Originally Posted by TogaParty
Seems more sad than anything that it takes 18 years to attain that pay scale, which is still less than the YEAR 2 FO hourly rate at UA/DL/AA.
Cue the yes voters and kool aid drinkers crying "don't compare us to mainline, we are a regional airline we can't expect to make mainline pay".
Even though you're comparing an 18 year regional captain to a 2 year mainline FO..
09-23-2017, 04:46 AM
#8463
Ich bin Pilot von Beruf
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: CRJ Kapitän
Posts: 616
Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
Like.
Cue the yes voters and kool aid drinkers crying "don't compare us to mainline, we are a regional airline we can't expect to make mainline pay".
Even though you're comparing an 18 year regional captain to a 2 year mainline FO..
Cue the yes voters and kool aid drinkers crying "don't compare us to mainline, we are a regional airline we can't expect to make mainline pay".
Even though you're comparing an 18 year regional captain to a 2 year mainline FO..
09-23-2017, 07:23 AM
#8464
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Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: RJ Captain
Posts: 1,174
Originally Posted by Nevjets
It's not just about hourly pay. What is your vacation and sick accrual? What percentage of health insurance premiums do you pay? Do they have cost escalation restrictions for year-over-year insurance increases? Do you get paid block or better? What matching funds does your employer provide and is it at 100% or something less? Do you have a defined contribution plan? Does your employer provide an occupational injury bank? Do they provide premium sharing for LTD policy that pays until you are 65?
And if you want to include QOL items, do you have a contractual no fault sick, fatigue, and commuter policy? Do they have a contractual train to proficiency policy that includes an impartial training review board? Do they have a neutral third party arbitration clause to handle disputes? Are they able to reassign you via ACARS? Are you required to check-in? Are you required to sit reserve if a flight gets cancelled? Is airport standby more than 4 hours? Can they assign you back to back airport standby days? Is there a limit on airport standby assignment per month? Can they assign you airport standby on the last day of reserve? Are there any automatic release rules for reserve?
Those are just a few items I can think of off the top of my head.
And if you want to include QOL items, do you have a contractual no fault sick, fatigue, and commuter policy? Do they have a contractual train to proficiency policy that includes an impartial training review board? Do they have a neutral third party arbitration clause to handle disputes? Are they able to reassign you via ACARS? Are you required to check-in? Are you required to sit reserve if a flight gets cancelled? Is airport standby more than 4 hours? Can they assign you back to back airport standby days? Is there a limit on airport standby assignment per month? Can they assign you airport standby on the last day of reserve? Are there any automatic release rules for reserve?
Those are just a few items I can think of off the top of my head.
09-23-2017, 08:15 AM
#8465
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 155
Originally Posted by Nevjets
It's not just about hourly pay. What is your vacation and sick accrual? What percentage of health insurance premiums do you pay? Do they have cost escalation restrictions for year-over-year insurance increases? Do you get paid block or better? What matching funds does your employer provide and is it at 100% or something less? Do you have a defined contribution plan? Does your employer provide an occupational injury bank? Do they provide premium sharing for LTD policy that pays until you are 65?
And if you want to include QOL items, do you have a contractual no fault sick, fatigue, and commuter policy? Do they have a contractual train to proficiency policy that includes an impartial training review board? Do they have a neutral third party arbitration clause to handle disputes? Are they able to reassign you via ACARS? Are you required to check-in? Are you required to sit reserve if a flight gets cancelled? Is airport standby more than 4 hours? Can they assign you back to back airport standby days? Is there a limit on airport standby assignment per month? Can they assign you airport standby on the last day of reserve? Are there any automatic release rules for reserve?
Those are just a few items I can think of off the top of my head.
And if you want to include QOL items, do you have a contractual no fault sick, fatigue, and commuter policy? Do they have a contractual train to proficiency policy that includes an impartial training review board? Do they have a neutral third party arbitration clause to handle disputes? Are they able to reassign you via ACARS? Are you required to check-in? Are you required to sit reserve if a flight gets cancelled? Is airport standby more than 4 hours? Can they assign you back to back airport standby days? Is there a limit on airport standby assignment per month? Can they assign you airport standby on the last day of reserve? Are there any automatic release rules for reserve?
Those are just a few items I can think of off the top of my head.
09-23-2017, 08:22 AM
#8466
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Position: ERJ 175 Captain
Posts: 205
Originally Posted by Nevjets
It's not just about hourly pay. What is your vacation and sick accrual? What percentage of health insurance premiums do you pay? Do they have cost escalation restrictions for year-over-year insurance increases? Do you get paid block or better? What matching funds does your employer provide and is it at 100% or something less? Do you have a defined contribution plan? Does your employer provide an occupational injury bank? Do they provide premium sharing for LTD policy that pays until you are 65?
And if you want to include QOL items, do you have a contractual no fault sick, fatigue, and commuter policy? Do they have a contractual train to proficiency policy that includes an impartial training review board? Do they have a neutral third party arbitration clause to handle disputes? Are they able to reassign you via ACARS? Are you required to check-in? Are you required to sit reserve if a flight gets cancelled? Is airport standby more than 4 hours? Can they assign you back to back airport standby days? Is there a limit on airport standby assignment per month? Can they assign you airport standby on the last day of reserve? Are there any automatic release rules for reserve?
Those are just a few items I can think of off the top of my head.
And if you want to include QOL items, do you have a contractual no fault sick, fatigue, and commuter policy? Do they have a contractual train to proficiency policy that includes an impartial training review board? Do they have a neutral third party arbitration clause to handle disputes? Are they able to reassign you via ACARS? Are you required to check-in? Are you required to sit reserve if a flight gets cancelled? Is airport standby more than 4 hours? Can they assign you back to back airport standby days? Is there a limit on airport standby assignment per month? Can they assign you airport standby on the last day of reserve? Are there any automatic release rules for reserve?
Those are just a few items I can think of off the top of my head.
And how is life at Express Jet? A few years ago you had how many planes? 500? How many do you have now? 200? You are slowly being wound down. Get out while you can.
09-23-2017, 08:24 AM
#8467
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
Position: ERJ 175 Captain
Posts: 205
Originally Posted by msprj2
What about the pilot sitting next to you making $30/hr. Do you brag about how much you make
To them?
To them?
09-23-2017, 08:54 AM
#8468
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,186
Originally Posted by msprj2
What about the pilot sitting next to you making $30/hr. Do you brag about how much you make
To them?
To them?
Some of them brag about how they they instructed for 17 years because they refused to work for $19/hour.
09-23-2017, 09:09 AM
#8469
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,237
Originally Posted by GearUpHeadDown
You need to stop pimping unions over here. It clearly didn't do you any good on your side of the fence. Like Utah said, we prefer growth and QOL over nitpicking at the small things.
Thought most alpa regional airlines try to raise the bar.
You're doing the opposite
09-23-2017, 09:41 AM
#8470
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,186
Originally Posted by msprj2
It's not a union thing it's your undercutting everyone else.
Thought most alpa regional airlines try to raise the bar.
You're doing the opposite
Thought most alpa regional airlines try to raise the bar.
You're doing the opposite
Pointless, nobodies raising any bars for long, the only people who have any leverage are CFI's. Regional game is rigged. If you're upwardly mobile, you want growth and upgrades. If you're a lifer you don't want to be COMAIRed at age 58.
SKW has historically operated in the sweet spot between mesa and comair.
Don't like it? Get out.
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