SWA ATL Base
03-24-2018, 10:25 AM
#21
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2017
Posts: 129
Originally Posted by e6bpilot
It is headed in the same direction that Orlando took about a year ago and Phoenix took a long time ago. It will have a big bubble of very senior people for the next 15 years or so with a growing population of junior and mid seniority folks. It will never be a big commuter base as long as I work here because nobody commutes to a base where they can’t have some kind of seniority power when there are other bases like BWI and MDW with a more normal seniority curve.
I think as long as we keep growing it, new hires will be holding it fairly soon.
When I first got hired around 4 years ago, I was told I would never hold Atlanta or maybe in 10 years. Same with Orlando.
Goes to show you how quick things change.
I think as long as we keep growing it, new hires will be holding it fairly soon.
When I first got hired around 4 years ago, I was told I would never hold Atlanta or maybe in 10 years. Same with Orlando.
Goes to show you how quick things change.
06-13-2018, 11:13 AM
#26
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,611
Originally Posted by AFSOCFlyr
How is MCO a senior base if you can hold it in a few months, yet ATL (also senior) takes 1yr to hold?
I will be looking to live ~40 mins out of MCO for my spouse's career.
Thanks
I will be looking to live ~40 mins out of MCO for my spouse's career.
Thanks
Just to give you an idea, as a 3rd year FO, in ATL, I'm barely into the blank line territory while in MCO, I'm a solid line holder but probably at least partial weekend line, but if I really want the max horsepower for my date-of-hire, it's either HOU, BWI or OAK.
06-15-2018, 08:09 AM
#27
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,003
Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Top heavy and very few commuters. Junior people either rotate out for better schedules elsewhere or become that top-heavy component as they get more flying out of that base.
Domicile seniority is not linear like the global list is.
MCO has some very senior folks at the top of both lists, and they don't move, especially on the Capt side.
The bottom is more fluid, and those dwelling there are subject to frequent displacement as the base shrinks and grows, although, thankfully, that's been minimized somewhat in the last few years.
The problem, like RJS said, is that in a senior domicile like MCO, it'll take years longer before you have any seniority "horsepower" vs. other domiciles.
You'll be stuck on reserve much longer, working crummy weekend lines much longer, getting less desirable vacations for much longer, it'll take years longer to upgrade unless you commute etc. LOTS of FO's in MCO have been bypassing upgrade for years, to avoid commuting or moving to a more junior domicile, which locks up the top of list.
On the Capt side you have almost as many senior folks bidding in to pre position for retirement, as there are actual retirements. We also have a few that do the snowbird thing, and bid into MCO for the winter months, which stagnates the list as well, even up in the sub 100 range.
I've been here over 22 years, and the only place I'd be more junior than MCO is PHX. I'd lose over 10% going there. Conversely, I'd gain over 10% going to ATL. DAL would be about the same as MCO for me. All the others would be net me 5-8% seniority gain.
Other than ATL, a newby can hold pretty much any base they want in a few months. The problem comes later on when they don't move up the list at all. Having a cushion beneath you is good, but when it comes to domicile QOL, it's the number of pilots above you that is important.
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