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Old 10-20-2017, 03:23 PM   #1  
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Default Please explain your retro payout

F9 guy here, I知 hoping someone can share some details on how your retro payout agreement was settled.

Was it a simple {(New Rate - Old Rate) x Times Min guarantee}, or was extra/premium trips also included?

Was it paid as a one lump sum or spread out over a period of time?

We are going thru our own negotiations over here and you guys are the most recent recipients of a retro payout I知 aware of.
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F9 guy here, I知 hoping someone can share some details on how your retro payout agreement was settled.

Was it a simple {(New Rate - Old Rate) x Times Min guarantee}, or was extra/premium trips also included?

Was it paid as a one lump sum or spread out over a period of time?

We are going thru our own negotiations over here and you guys are the most recent recipients of a retro payout I知 aware of.
We got almost full retro on what we actually flew during the 4 years that the company and SWApA dragged out "negotiations".

It was paid out in a lump sum.

We didn't get retro for 2012, since SWApA "negotiated" an awesome side letter that netted us a (performance based) 0% raise that year, which we enthusiastically ratified, giving us the privilege of flying the 800 for the same rates AND a year contract extension.

You can't make this stuff up folks.
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We got almost full retro on what we actually flew during the 4 years that the company and SWApA dragged out "negotiations".

It was paid out in a lump sum.

We didn't get retro for 2012, since SWApA "negotiated" an awesome side letter that netted us a (performance based) 0% raise that year, which we enthusiastically ratified, giving us the privilege of flying the 800 for the same rates AND a year contract extension.

You can't make this stuff up folks.

Thank you.
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Also, the retro included 401K and profit sharing amounts.
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Also, the retro included 401K and profit sharing amounts.
With an upper limit...
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We got almost full retro on what we actually flew during the 4 years that the company and SWApA dragged out "negotiations".
I hate to even ask this question, since I was accused of 鍍hrowing shade at SWA in another thread, but doesn稚 basing retro on actual TFPs flown reward 砥ndesirable behavior during by contract negotiations? Wouldn稚 a better system be average TFP? Then folks wouldn稚 be so willing to help the company out during contract talks.

Sorry if this sounds like 都hade.
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I hate to even ask this question, since I was accused of 鍍hrowing shade at SWA in another thread, but doesn稚 basing retro on actual TFPs flown reward 砥ndesirable behavior during by contract negotiations? Wouldn稚 a better system be average TFP? Then folks wouldn稚 be so willing to help the company out during contract talks.

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Good question.....

This notion has been bandied about, but we have never been known for our "esprit de corps", especially if someone mentions that (gasp!) not flying on our days off might move the ball further down the field during negotiations. Heck, our last Union Prez actually worked premium during the MDW picket, as did a few other former union "reps".

Given our demographics and abysmal, concessionary, voting record, the way we did it was probably the best overall, and far better than most of "us" would've voted YES! for.
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Good question.....

This notion has been bandied about, but we have never been known for our "esprit de corps", especially if someone mentions that (gasp!) not flying on our days off might move the ball further down the field during negotiations. Heck, our last Union Prez actually worked premium during the MDW picket, as did a few other former union "reps".

Given our demographics and abysmal, concessionary, voting record, the way we did it was probably the best overall, and far better than most of "us" would've voted YES! for.
Understood. We had our share of 妬ndependent contractors during our last CBA negotiations as well.
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I hate to even ask this question, since I was accused of 鍍hrowing shade at SWA in another thread, but doesn稚 basing retro on actual TFPs flown reward 砥ndesirable behavior during by contract negotiations? Wouldn稚 a better system be average TFP? Then folks wouldn稚 be so willing to help the company out during contract talks.

Sorry if this sounds like 都hade.
Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner! Basing retro on TFP only rewards the selfish fat chewers who could give 2 shi$&痴 about the group as a whole. So just remember when you see those guys/gals in the terminal that in the end their behavior cost the group money. They got retro on all that fat while you flew the contract and sucked it up for the group. The fat chewers should be called out at every opportunity.
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Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner! Basing retro on TFP only rewards the selfish fat chewers who could give 2 shi$&痴 about the group as a whole. So just remember when you see those guys/gals in the terminal that in the end their behavior cost the group money. They got retro on all that fat while you flew the contract and sucked it up for the group. The fat chewers should be called out at every opportunity.


The union never said not to pick up trips. So claim whatever you want. I didn't during any picket because I was at them. That being said, I expected those who were haters to pick up. They are known future scabs. They will hopefully get theirs. Hell out ex-president now works for company labor. He could have a heart attack for all I care. He will get ignored and made fun of just like MS every time he is at the doubletree bar except he didn't **** a secretary. That we know of.


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