fadec

At United we have senior manning. As a junior guy moving across two fleets in three domiciles over three years, half on reserve, I have never once been asked to perform additional flying past trip termination. It just doesn't happen. It could, in theory, but there's always a senior guy happy to answer the phone for a quick buck. Last-minute mandatory reassignments are such a serious QOL hit they should be as rare as their only fair causes, hurricanes, floods, etc. And even then they should be compensated well. They are here, in case it should matter.

Lewbronski

[SARCASM]Ya, but you guys have PBS and we here at SWA have unrivaled flexibility! Yes, your pay rates may be a little higher, but my W2 always beats my buddies’ W2’s at UA, DL, AA. Plus, you guys work 19 days per month. At SWA. I give away my entire line and fly premium 9 days per month. Last year, I netted $575K. Don’t even get my started on how much better our health care and retirement is than all the other airlines. And our long-call reserve? Industry-leading.[/SARCASM]

Kapitanleutnant

Pretty much sums it up.....

RJSAviator76

You forgot to include Omni. Even they have higher rates than Southwest.

But hey, happier times ahead for you:

For both UA and DL go here: https://www.airlineapps.com
For AA, go here: https://aa.pilotcredentials.com

Sorry, too lazy to look for Omni. You'll have to look them up yourself.

Skyward

Well, I haven’t flown yet this month because I gave it all away. Picking some stuff up now. Except for the retirement and reserve part, I fail to see the sarcasm.

My last trip was a 3day - commutable on both ends with 5 legs total for the whole trip. Paid nice, too.

I’ll never net $575 though. At least not on second year pay.... lol

Lewbronski

Pr’ty much why it will always be SAIEW at SWA: “If ya don’t like the way SWA does it, leave!”

Same reason we didn’t have autothrottles or VNAV until just a few years ago despite the fact that the advantages of autothrottles and VNAV were repeatedly pointed out by many for years: an inability to comprehend that there might be better ways of doing things than the little Texas airline does ‘em.

Same reason we pinned the gear until just a couple of years ago.

Same reason one pilot had to stay with the aircraft until just a couple months ago.

RJSAviator76

Spare me the melodramatic BS. You are comparing apples to camels. Stick to the contract, compensation and working conditions.

Want 5-day trips with 30 hour layovers and be gone for 15-17 days? Please see the links in my previous post or convince me I’d like them.

Want to fly right up to your reserve guarantee, being on the hook for 18-20 days a month but with LC reserve? Please see the links in my previous post or convince me I’d like this.

Want PBS where a week of vacation equals 10-14 days off? Please see the links in my previous post or convince me it’s better.

Want the union to mandate with whom you can and cannot trade if you’re a line holder or reserve? If so, please see the links in my previous post and show me how it’s better.

Want to fly a heavy and go have 36 hour layovers in Rome? Wrong airline... see the links in my previous post.

By throwing your sarcastic hissy fit, you’re actually detracting from what needs to be done and showing yourself to be a complete ignoramus malcontent. Please do tell us... what do you know about how AA is in comparison to us? Have you seen their 737 domestic lines? How about 737 international lines? You like what they credit? Or do you think it’s a travesty? How about ways to make extra money because a decent chunk of this pilot group likes the ability to make extra? How about Delta? Tell us about their reserve, days on the hook, guarantee, chances to go over guarantee, ability to drop, long/short call? Go into specifics...

Also, what makes DL, UA, AA narrowbody flying more appealing than SW?

You mention retirement... when will a legacy newhire be able to reach IRS 415C limits? For example, I hit it as a year 1-2 FO with PS topping it off, having gotten excess paid to me in cash. Conversely, my legacy buds couldn’t get it quite yet despite trying like hell due to being “unable to credit more” despite their higher hourly.

I want higher pay rates, but I don’t want to sit for 30 hours in BHM or RDU. I also don’t want 5 day trips paying min pay... I stay away from 4-days like a plague, but that’s me. You may love them, and that’s where we differ. It doesn’t make any one of us right or wrong.

Living in domicile, I actually want the ability to trade my trips with those commuting to sit reserve... can’t do that at a legacy.

What may work for you may not work for somebody else. 16% of us, myself included, voted no the last time around. That means 86% voted yes. How do you convince them they’re wrong? Throwing BS like SAIEW, throwing sarcastic posts and insults only gets you tuned out and labeled a malcontent or worse and your message gets ignored/lost despite possibly having something meaningful to actually contribute and show us where we are indeed lagging. See my LTD post as an example...

Warhawg01

Well said, RJS. I have grown tired of the SAIEW crowd, especially the ones that use their no vote as a big I-told-you-so bat to whack anyone and everyone with a complaint about the contract. I would like to see the mythical unicorn contract that whittles the 16% club into a group of less than 5-10% (no matter what, some will always vote no). It doesn’t exist — it can’t exist.

BIGRIG

Am I the only one that doesn’t know what SAIEW means?

Smooth at FL450

Same As It Ever Was...I think