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UALfoLIFE 04-15-2018 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by slimothy (Post 2572581)
Also failed to mention the $0.14/gal gas tax on our already astronomical gas prices, and the ever increasing cost to register vehicles. $450 for my 11 year old truck this year. Up by about $100 from last year.

Try 53 cents per gallon in CA.

Secondly the 13.3% bracket applies to those make more than 1 mil. No SWA pilot is making that on flying alone, nice try lol!

iahflyr 04-15-2018 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr
CA state income tax is really not as bad as some people make it out to be. If you are married, the first $537,500 of your income is taxed at a marginal tax rate of 9.3%. However, California's income tax is highly progressive. The first $105,224 is taxed at an effective tax rate of only 4.4%. That's actually below average for many states. Even if you make 250k a year, your effective tax rate is 7.2% (Before any write-off's) For comparison, 43 out of 50 states charge state income tax, and the average effective state income tax rate is 5%.

State income tax is deductible on your federal taxes if you itemize. So if you're in a ~30% federal tax bracket, you'll get to write-off 30% of that 7.2% you paid in state taxes on your federal tax return. So your effective state tax rate would be 5%. Throw in some other federal write-offs (mortgage interest, charity, etc...), and your true effective state tax rate gets into the mid 4% range, depending on your situation, for making 250k.

California's property tax rate is also significantly lower than other states (Roughly 1% of the home value, and can not increase more than 2% annually). You'll find that owning property in California is also quite profitable.

People get all worked up over CA state income tax, but ~4.5% of your income if you make 250k is a very small price to pay for living in CA. It's worth it for the weather, scenery, things to do, beaches, mountains, wineries, you name it.


Originally Posted by UALfoLIFE (Post 2572588)
Where did you get your info from? It’s all wrong.

https://www.ftb.ca.gov/forms/2017-Ca...ions.shtml#itr

Scroll down to Schedule Y (Married filing jointly). I think I used the 2016 numbers instead of 2017, but that doesn't make a difference (It actually means you pay slightly less than I quoted above). Care to tell me what you think is so wrong??


Originally Posted by ZeroTT
Sorry dude - state and local income tax deduction is now capped at $10k/yr for your federal return.

Yes, the GOP tax reform bill raised taxes on a lot of upper middle class taxpayers, especially pilots. I really hope it gets repealed, or they at least increase the SALT deduction above 10k. Whatever happened to the GOP being the party of no double taxation?? I remember when I used to vote for the GOP it was that way. Not anymore apparently.

However, if you make 250K, you have an effective CA state tax rate of 7.2%, that means your CA state income tax is 18k. However if you have any other federal deductions (charity, mortgage interest), it's even less. You can write-off 10k of it on your federal taxes. So maybe your true effective state tax rate goes from mid 4% to ~5%. It's still really not that much. Yes I would vote to lower it slightly, or hope that GOP tax reform is repealed or altered regarding the SALT deduction. But regardless, CA state income tax is not this monstrous thing most people make it out to be.

ANGFlight81 04-15-2018 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by Sluggo_63 (Post 2572535)
When you say, buy a small condo in NV, I hope you mean to live there, not just for the tax advantages even though you live in CA... MN came after NWA pilots hard a few years back for essentially the same thing. Living in MN, but had a small places in TN/FL/AK. Were claiming that they weren't MN residents.

Obviously. Every state is different but state law dictates that you’re in the state a min amount of days...

RJSAviator76 04-15-2018 08:07 AM

Personally, I don’t care for CA gas prices, CA sales tax, CA property tax, CA real estate prices, the nanny state government policies, CA DMV fees including car registration fees. CA income tax is merely an icing on the cake.

flensr 04-15-2018 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by ANGFlight81 (Post 2572639)
Obviously. Every state is different but state law dictates that you’re in the state a min amount of days...

CA state law is also based on if you're using/receiving any state benefits normally provided only to residents. Have any kids going to school in CA? If yes, then you need CA drivers license, CA car registration, and pay CA taxes, even if all of your income is derived from activities outside of the state.

Sux but that's what turned up when I researched moving to CA.

CA1900 04-15-2018 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 2572631)
Whatever happened to the GOP being the party of no double taxation??

It elected Trump as its figurehead, who thinks that "punishing" residents of blue states is more important than anything else.

TerrainTerrain 04-15-2018 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 2572518)
CA state income tax is really not as bad as some people make it out to be. If you are married

Doesn’t matter when you are married because your life is over.

Next question?

Sluggo_63 04-16-2018 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by ANGFlight81 (Post 2572639)
Obviously. Every state is different but state law dictates that you’re in the state a min amount of days...

Far be it for me to stick my hand in anybody’s personal financial chili, but California is ruthless when it comes to tracking down California residents who don’t pay California taxes. And just spending x amount of days away doesn’t persuade them in the least. I’m a FedEx guy, and I’ve heard all the iterations of the “I’m claiming TN residence (tax-free state) because...” you name it. Crash pad, vacation home, mail drop... California has bitten more of these guys than you care to know.

Are you married? Where does your wife live? Have kids? Where do they go to school? Go to church? Where’s the church? Etc., etc.

Not trying to preach, just trying to let you know that having a second home in a tax free state doesn’t make you a non-resident of the state where your “center of gravity” lies. Don’t want to see any more dudes get caught in that trap.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertw.../#6f4830b84e1a

TroutBum 04-17-2018 11:10 AM

As someone mentioned above, the State of Minnesota went hard after some NWA pilots who were claiming Alaska, Washington, etc. residency. The end result was some felony convictions -- and everything that comes with that.

http://www.postbulletin.com/pilot-co...0a4deb703.html

torpid0 04-17-2018 08:09 PM

I own a small little business in CA. Made around 5k gross last year. I missed my $25 corporation business fee by a few weeks. The penalty....$25 + $250 late fee!!! No wonder people don't want to do business in CA.

Lived in CA all my life and have always loved it but Gov. Brown and the coastal elites have pushed me to my breaking point. Will probably move to Nevada or Arizona in the next few years.

PowerShift 04-19-2018 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 2572664)
Personally, I don’t care for CA gas prices, CA sales tax, CA property tax, CA real estate prices, the nanny state government policies, CA DMV fees including car registration fees. CA income tax is merely an icing on the cake.

Right on. I hear people say “It’s not bad” have never lived anywhere where they are free.

iahflyr 04-20-2018 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by PowerShift (Post 2575772)
Right on. I hear people say “It’s not bad” have never lived anywhere where they are free.

Every state gets their money one way or another. I lived in Texas for years, and I don’t miss the insanely high property taxes for a junky house. I also don’t miss paying a toll every time I drive on a toll road.

In every other profession, people make way more money living in CA. We are in a very unique profession where you make the same amount of money whether you live in BFE, Arkansas, or San Francisco.

shaun3000 04-20-2018 07:05 PM

Yeah, I’m much prefer my toll-free toll roads. :D

FL370esq 04-20-2018 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 2576813)
Every state gets their money one way or another. I lived in Texas for years, and I don’t miss the insanely high property taxes for a junky house. I also don’t miss paying a toll every time I drive on a toll road.

TX?? TX?? TX is a true amateur when compared to NY where you can pay insanely high property taxes, nearly CA-like gas prices, substantial tolls to/from work AND still have "the privilege" of paying 7%+ of your income to NY State. 😁

(and "they" wonder why NY keeps losing congressional seats after every census. Ummm...it ain't just because of the weather).

TimetoClimb 05-03-2018 10:17 AM

I saw a news segment today that SWA is also planning interisland flights. Any rumors on whether this might result in an HNL base ? As an island boy at the regionals my ears are perked....

e6bpilot 05-03-2018 11:29 AM

I doubt it. SWA is slow to open pilot bases and usually does it in locations with a lot of flying.
It will be 3 day OAK/LAX trips. Day 1 fly there, maybe one additional leg, short overnight. Day 2 inter island, Smedium overnight 15 hours or so. Day 3, 1-2 short legs and fly home.
There will be enough crews overnighting to absorb scheduling drama.

jetliner1526 05-03-2018 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 2585624)
I doubt it. SWA is slow to open pilot bases and usually does it in locations with a lot of flying.
It will be 3 day OAK/LAX trips. Day 1 fly there, maybe one additional leg, short overnight. Day 2 inter island, Smedium overnight 15 hours or so. Day 3, 1-2 short legs and fly home.
There will be enough crews overnighting to absorb scheduling drama.

It doesn't look like LAX initially.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ine&yptr=yahoo

"Southwest Airlines Co. intends to offer island-hopping flights within Hawaii after it ramps up service to the state from California, boosting the competitive threat to Hawaiian Airlines.

Inter-island flights will “eventually” be added to complement new service from the U.S. mainland, Southwest said in a statement Thursday. The carrier named San Jose, San Diego, Sacramento and Oakland as the first California cities that will get nonstop flights to Hawaii.

The lucrative inter-island market is a mainstay for Hawaiian, which derives about 94 percent of its in-state revenue from the five largest routes in that network. Competition on those flights from Southwest would be “a fairly significant headwind for Hawaiian,” Joseph DeNardi, a Stifel Financial Corp. analyst, has said."

Smokey23 05-03-2018 07:54 PM

Just because LAX is not one of the HI city pairs (yet), doesn't mean that the LAX-based pilots won't be doing some of the initial HI flights.

...or did I misunderstand your point?

jetliner1526 05-04-2018 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by Smokey23 (Post 2585880)
Just because LAX is not one of the HI city pairs (yet), doesn't mean that the LAX-based pilots won't be doing some of the initial HI flights.

...or did I misunderstand your point?

The pilots can most definitely still do the HI flights. No doubt LAX will eventually have direct flights to HI.

Winston 05-04-2018 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by jetliner1526 (Post 2585726)
The carrier named San Jose, San Diego, Sacramento and Oakland as the first California cities that will get nonstop flights to Hawaii.

San Diego to the islands is going to be a little interesting as far as takeoff is concerned. SAN-HNL is further than it is to BOS and ETOPS requires quite a bit of fuel padding at the critical point. Add in a weather alternate and SWA’s single class seating and you’ve got quite a heavy little piggy trying to get airborne in SAN’s relatively short and obstacle surrounded runway.

There’s a reason all the Hawaii flights take off on the 28s in SFO.

WHACKMASTER 05-04-2018 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 2585988)
San Diego to the islands is going to be a little interesting as far as takeoff is concerned. SAN-HNL is further than it is to BOS and ETOPS requires quite a bit of fuel padding at the critical point. Add in a weather alternate and SWA’s single class seating and you’ve got quite a heavy little piggy trying to get airborne in SAN’s relatively short and obstacle surrounded runway.

There’s a reason all the Hawaii flights take off on the 28s in SFO.

I don’t see it being an issue with the MAX though.

capt707 05-04-2018 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 2585988)
San Diego to the islands is going to be a little interesting as far as takeoff is concerned. SAN-HNL is further than it is to BOS and ETOPS requires quite a bit of fuel padding at the critical point. Add in a weather alternate and SWA’s single class seating and you’ve got quite a heavy little piggy trying to get airborne in SAN’s relatively short and obstacle surrounded runway.

There’s a reason all the Hawaii flights take off on the 28s in SFO.

Doesn't Alaska already have a bunch of flights from SAN to Hawaii? Don't think they have any issues with their 737s?!

WHACKMASTER 05-04-2018 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by capt707 (Post 2586014)
Doesn't Alaska already have a bunch of flights from SAN to Hawaii? Don't think they have any issues with their 737s?!

I think they do have some weight issues but they’re not using MAXes like we will be.

rickair7777 05-04-2018 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 2585988)
San Diego to the islands is going to be a little interesting as far as takeoff is concerned. SAN-HNL is further than it is to BOS and ETOPS requires quite a bit of fuel padding at the critical point. Add in a weather alternate and SWA’s single class seating and you’ve got quite a heavy little piggy trying to get airborne in SAN’s relatively short and obstacle surrounded runway.

There’s a reason all the Hawaii flights take off on the 28s in SFO.

British Airways launches a 74 to LHR out of SAN, I'm sure SWA can make it work with a 73 to HI.

Winston 05-04-2018 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2586025)
British Airways launches a 74 to LHR out of SAN, I'm sure SWA can make it work with a 73 to HI.

Isn’t that the one that stops in PHX for gas because it can’t takeoff fully loaded?

e6bpilot 05-04-2018 07:11 AM

It will be in the Ocho, which does fine in SAN. I have never had a weight issue out of there. People tend to think of the runway as being short, not really sure why. It’s 9400 feet long which is an eternity in the 800.
Not saying there won’t be any issues at all, I just don’t think it is going to be a problem on a regular basis.

Swingline78 05-04-2018 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 2585988)
San Diego to the islands is going to be a little interesting as far as takeoff is concerned. SAN-HNL is further than it is to BOS and ETOPS requires quite a bit of fuel padding at the critical point. Add in a weather alternate and SWA’s single class seating and you’ve got quite a heavy little piggy trying to get airborne in SAN’s relatively short and obstacle surrounded runway.

There’s a reason all the Hawaii flights take off on the 28s in SFO.

I've done SAN-HNL in a 700NG. It's not a problem.

HalinTexas 05-04-2018 10:44 AM

More to come....
 
WN has only about 30 -800s ETOPS ready.

No MAXs, anywhere, are ETOPS ready. Not sure when they will be delivered. Wait and see. They will be integrated eventually.

Seeing as LIH is 6500' and OGG is 7000' and warmer than SAN, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Yield won't be stellar, but it's not about CA-HI specifically as it is the CA market as a whole. They all go to HI for a weekend. :D

rickair7777 05-04-2018 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Winston (Post 2586038)
Isn’t that the one that stops in PHX for gas because it can’t takeoff fully loaded?

They used to, but I don't think they stop now (they had a code-share with cactus, and would pick up pax in PHX back in the day). It's mostly a 777, only occasionally the 74 these days (the triple goes nonstop).

Bucky19 05-11-2018 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by THEKERNALKLINK (Post 2570250)
If your base of operations is out of a State, YOU PAY TAXES TO THE STATE THAT BASE IS IN.... I was ****ed when IL hiked up their rate, but it's still close to 1/3 of what CA is.

I mean we would all be claiming TX or NV residency if we could get away with it, but it's illegal!

Nope. I am based in Chicago, live in Wisconsin and pay Wisconsin taxes, not Illinois.

4thLevel 05-11-2018 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by HalinTexas (Post 2586250)

No MAXs, anywhere, are ETOPS ready. Not sure when they will be delivered. Wait and see. They will be integrated eventually.

We have several ETOPS ready MAX's already on property. This one delivered Oct 2, 2017.


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4719/...67d03a66_b.jpg

HalinTexas 05-12-2018 02:52 PM

They are equipped. Not certified.

It will happen soon enough, but not initially.

4thLevel 05-13-2018 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by HalinTexas (Post 2592618)
They are equipped. Not certified.

It will happen soon enough, but not initially.

There are MAX's doing ETOPS for many airlines. The aircraft is most definitely is certified. We may not be, but the aircraft is.

BizPilot 05-13-2018 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Hawaii808 (Post 2569144)
So would southwest be a good move for a pilot living in Hawaii? Could junior guys most likely get LAX and be doing the Hawaii trips?

EDIT: Asking for a friend.....

Cost of living in Hawaii -

Gallon of milk $8.00
Dozen eggs $7.00

Cheeseburger and fries at Waikiki $24.00 (beverage is extra)

1 bedroom studio apartment $1800/month.

4thLevel 05-13-2018 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by BizPilot (Post 2593032)
Cost of living in Hawaii -

Gallon of milk $8.00
Dozen eggs $7.00

Cheeseburger and fries at Waikiki $24.00 (beverage is extra)

1 bedroom studio apartment $1800/month.

Since the guy is asking for someone already living in Hawaii, and he goes by "Hawaii808", I'm guessing he already knows what a gallon of milk costs. :rolleyes:

To answer the question, no one knows for sure how LAX will shake out when its all said and done - but yes, it's likely a junior guy can hold it and do some HI flying.

HalinTexas 05-15-2018 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by 4thLevel (Post 2593004)
There are MAX's doing ETOPS for many airlines. The aircraft is most definitely is certified. We may not be, but the aircraft is.

Who? I’d like to hear.

Proximity 05-15-2018 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by HalinTexas (Post 2594485)
Who? I’d like to hear.

Norwegian has to have at-least 120mins, not sure if 180mins is approved yet however.

kingairfun 05-15-2018 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Proximity (Post 2594590)
Norwegian has to have at-least 120mins, not sure if 180mins is approved yet however.

120 will not get you to Hawaii

Proximity 05-15-2018 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by kingairfun (Post 2594598)
120 will not get you to Hawaii

Yah...many of us have done ETOPS already, we know.

kingairfun 05-15-2018 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Proximity (Post 2594637)
Yah...many of us have done ETOPS already, we know.

then why would anyone give a **** about 120 minute ETOPS?:)


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