Path to Check Airmen
05-11-2018, 04:58 PM
#22
Retired.
Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 414
. , "it's the guys who seek out the check airman position who often times are the guys who shouldn't be check airman."
I never wanted to be one, but my boss bugged me about doing it.
Small cargo company with big airplanes:
(Tradewinds Airlines)
Finally gave in and took the training and the job.
All of a sudden I got respect and my co workers was very polite, laughed at my jokes and hung on to every word I spoke.
(Finally got some respect.
)I lasted 16 months as a line check airman, then went back to be a line-swine.
Too much work: I refused to sign of a few guys, with pressure from the higher ups: When are you going to release this guy? We need to get him on the line, etc, etc.
I would not volunteer for the job, don’t need the stress, but interesting to have tried it.
Money was good however, like writing your own paycheck, always needed for this or that.
05-19-2018, 08:44 AM
#23
New Hire
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 4
When you upgrade and can only hold reserve guess who you’ll be flying with...new FOs just off IOE. Instruction and mentoring is what you’ll be doing. Having said that, EVERYONE I’ve flown with coming out of training have been great pilots. It’s getting to know the 737 That’s the challenge. I was very thankful for the instruction and mentoring when I got here 11 yrs ago...
05-22-2018, 02:52 PM
#25
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Posts: 258
Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
To answer your question, I'd say previous check airman experience will help your chances at future CKAM positions.
Now I must ask...why is this your ultimate goal? I flew with a check airman awhile ago who was super cool and very chill, and I asked how he got to that position. He had been recommended into the CKAM position by people he'd flown with, it wasn't anything he actively pursued. To quote him, "it's the guys who seek out the check airman position who often times are the guys who shouldn't be check airman."
Just keep it in mind...if you're a natural leader/mentor/instructor and those around you feel the same way, then check airman positions type will come to you.
Now I must ask...why is this your ultimate goal? I flew with a check airman awhile ago who was super cool and very chill, and I asked how he got to that position. He had been recommended into the CKAM position by people he'd flown with, it wasn't anything he actively pursued. To quote him, "it's the guys who seek out the check airman position who often times are the guys who shouldn't be check airman."
Just keep it in mind...if you're a natural leader/mentor/instructor and those around you feel the same way, then check airman positions type will come to you.
What are the guys who seek out the Check airman position like? Do they have a huge ego and a respect my authority attitude?
05-23-2018, 10:09 AM
#26
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 3,429
Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK
What are the guys who seek out the Check airman position like? Do they have a huge ego and a respect my authority attitude?
Generally they have a goal in mind like chief pilot or management position. Otherwise, it is probably someone who feels the need to be in charge or in a supervisory position. These generally aren’t the guys you want as check airmen.
Most of the CKA I have flown with are stellar pilots and are as humble as they are kind. They know they have a job to do and do it with the big picture in mind.
There are a few who just don’t get it. They feel that they have to be a hard ass and enforce arbitrary rule violations no matter the circumstances in which they occur. These are the guys you hate flying with. I had one debrief me that I needed to take the checklist all the way out of the holder when I read it because it looked bad. I always made sure the checklist was visible when I pull it halfway out.
I just chuckled and said ok thanks.
05-25-2018, 02:04 PM
#28
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Posts: 258
Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Generally they have a goal in mind like chief pilot or management position. Otherwise, it is probably someone who feels the need to be in charge or in a supervisory position. These generally aren’t the guys you want as check airmen.
Most of the CKA I have flown with are stellar pilots and are as humble as they are kind. They know they have a job to do and do it with the big picture in mind.
There are a few who just don’t get it. They feel that they have to be a hard ass and enforce arbitrary rule violations no matter the circumstances in which they occur. These are the guys you hate flying with. I had one debrief me that I needed to take the checklist all the way out of the holder when I read it because it looked bad. I always made sure the checklist was visible when I pull it halfway out.
I just chuckled and said ok thanks.
Most of the CKA I have flown with are stellar pilots and are as humble as they are kind. They know they have a job to do and do it with the big picture in mind.
There are a few who just don’t get it. They feel that they have to be a hard ass and enforce arbitrary rule violations no matter the circumstances in which they occur. These are the guys you hate flying with. I had one debrief me that I needed to take the checklist all the way out of the holder when I read it because it looked bad. I always made sure the checklist was visible when I pull it halfway out.
I just chuckled and said ok thanks.
05-26-2018, 08:19 PM
#30
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 258
Originally Posted by 13534653
Just let him fly his approach. If he's unstable call a go around.
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