How many LORs are too much?
09-08-2018, 07:12 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by BarrySeal
what would cause "HR" to thumbs-down a guy ?
It appears the SWA process, aka interview, 7-minute exercise, logbook review, etc is pilot-heavy
yes ?
It appears the SWA process, aka interview, 7-minute exercise, logbook review, etc is pilot-heavy
yes ?
The day is pilot-heavy but the people department has their say in the process. If the candidate gets the thumbs up from everyone but the recruiter, very likely the candidate will move on to the decision board for final word. This is where solid letters of rec come in handy in case the recruiter saw a character trait that raised red flags.
09-08-2018, 07:21 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
Don’t lie. Don’t be weird. Don’t be a dick.
The day is pilot-heavy but the people department has their say in the process. If the candidate gets the thumbs up from everyone but the recruiter, very likely the candidate will move on to the decision board for final word. This is where solid letters of rec come in handy in case the recruiter saw a character trait that raised red flags.
The day is pilot-heavy but the people department has their say in the process. If the candidate gets the thumbs up from everyone but the recruiter, very likely the candidate will move on to the decision board for final word. This is where solid letters of rec come in handy in case the recruiter saw a character trait that raised red flags.
thank you..............
09-09-2018, 12:13 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by BarrySeal
what would cause "HR" to thumbs-down a guy ?
It appears the SWA process, aka interview, 7-minute exercise, logbook review, etc is pilot-heavy
yes ?
It appears the SWA process, aka interview, 7-minute exercise, logbook review, etc is pilot-heavy
yes ?
Logbook audit
Line Ops evaluation
HR/pilot interview
I don’t mean to scare anyone, but I promise you that if for whatever reason you don’t impress the HR rep and he/she says “no,” the chief’s board can do NOTHING about it, even if you do great on the “pilot” portions.
This is current policy, and I don’t like it.
What could you screw up? Your answers to their questions. Do you exhibit combative behaviors? I don’t know...but I and others have physically walked in and asked chiefs about this policy.
Seems like HR holds a bigger hammer than the pilots when it comes to hiring.
09-09-2018, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptYoda
On the LOR subject, I would say no more than 10 including your internals. (my opinion). I think it also depends on the quality and depth of the LOR. It's better to have fewer well written and elaborate LOR's than have a flood of them with a lot of fluff.
And to add to that, letters from folks that you have actually flown with carry a lot more weight than those that you have not. Internals that you've flown with are probably best, so long as they aren't screw ups at work.
They do call the references, so the more personal experience the person writing the letter has with you, the better. Provided that the experiences were all good, of course!
Good luck!
09-09-2018, 07:41 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by CaptYoda
So if HR says No, then is it fair to assume that the applicant won't even make it to the DB, since the DB cannot apparently override HR.
Hey, I want somebody to tell me I’m wrong and it’s not the policy!
09-09-2018, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by at6d
What I was told by a current chief is that at the DB they can’t overturn it. They can still provide input about the two pilot sections, just not HR.
Hey, I want somebody to tell me I’m wrong and it’s not the policy!
Hey, I want somebody to tell me I’m wrong and it’s not the policy!
In the past, chief pilots could resurrect/save a candidate that didn’t pass the interview selection, but legal put an end to that.
09-09-2018, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
This really isn’t an accurate portrayal of what happens. There is no “HR section”. There is a consensus formed by the logbook reviewer (pilot) and the panel interview team (pilot&recruiter). If the 3 of them agree to “not continue” the candidate, then it stops there and the selection process is done. If the 3 interviewers can not come to an agreement, the candidate will move on for further review and final decision is made by the chief pilots. This is where the quality of the references can make a big difference.
In the past, chief pilots could resurrect/save a candidate that didn’t pass the interview selection, but legal put an end to that.
In the past, chief pilots could resurrect/save a candidate that didn’t pass the interview selection, but legal put an end to that.
What I am saying is the People Department/Pilot table discussion event seems to hold more weight than the other two events.
As a side note, what division would a retired former Chief represent during a panel interview?
09-09-2018, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by at6d
The “recruiter” is from People Department, correct? That’s HR.
What I am saying is the People Department/Pilot table discussion event seems to hold more weight than the other two events.
As a side note, what division would a retired former Chief represent during a panel interview?
What I am saying is the People Department/Pilot table discussion event seems to hold more weight than the other two events.
As a side note, what division would a retired former Chief represent during a panel interview?
when it comes to forming a consensus decision on the candidate, the LOI is one piece and the logbook/panel decision is the other. The recruiter is making the consensus decision with 2 other pilots in the room.
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