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Old 08-17-2019, 10:09 AM
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Did someone say sidestick?

Hmm

Wonder what base would have anyone with sidestick experience.
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Still unclear about the strategic rationale for a new fleet type? Read the rationale provided by your management:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/80782-southwest-airlines-seeks-new-type-clause-in-labour-contract


Pretty well stated. Not saying it is going to happen - but at least there is an acknowledgment that the 737NG/MAX is not suited for every route and that there are likely many routes out there that should be served by SWA that economically can’t be served today. WestJet switched from an all 737 fleet and SWA can too.
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Still unclear about the strategic rationale for a new fleet type? Read the rationale provided by your management:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/80782-southwest-airlines-seeks-new-type-clause-in-labour-contract


Pretty well stated. Not saying it is going to happen - but at least there is an acknowledgment that the 737NG/MAX is not suited for every route and that there are likely many routes out there that should be served by SWA that economically can’t be served today. WestJet switched from an all 737 fleet and SWA can too.
Route optimization. The a220 out performs max on cost and better suited for certain markets. Furthermore it’s risk mitigation, what if max continues to have issues or the public doesn’t fully forget? It would be irresponsible of management to not have a close look at other options since right now our next probably 15-20 year fleet plan relies on a plane that crashed twice and is grounded
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Route optimization. The a220 out performs max on cost and better suited for certain markets. Furthermore it’s risk mitigation, what if max continues to have issues or the public doesn’t fully forget? It would be irresponsible of management to not have a close look at other options since right now our next probably 15-20 year fleet plan relies on a plane that crashed twice and is grounded
Completely agree. Wouldn’t be surprised if Boeing were pushing the Embraer E2 very hard for non-737 route opportunities. IMO, Southwest would gain better future OEM negotiating leverage by operating dual Boeing and Airbus (A220) fleets. Ryanair in Europe (huge 737 operator) bought an Austrian airline using A320s to gain that future negotiating leverage. Operating a huge, single fleet plays into the hands of the single supplier - it become more difficult to exit that fleet or change over time - and Boeing knows it....
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Denver adding 100 flights...new terminal..long runways..United international service. What can we do??
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Denver adding 100 flights...new terminal..long runways..United international service. What can we do??
Max 7 can go nonstop to HI. Max also has legs to Panama...Copa doing it now. I’m sure they’ve got everything laid out to the DEN Airport Authority to leverage as many gates as possible.
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Any news/updates? I thought Gary said (pre-COVID of course) SWA would conduct a strategic review of fleet diversification considering the MAX issue? Is it time for SWA to pull the trigger on the A220?
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Any news/updates? I thought Gary said (pre-COVID of course) SWA would conduct a strategic review of fleet diversification considering the MAX issue? Is it time for SWA to pull the trigger on the A220?
I could see them pulling the trigger on another airline before adding another fleet type in house.
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I could see them pulling the trigger on another airline before adding another fleet type in house.
Yup. That’s what I see now. I just hope it’s JBA so we get the A220. What a damn sweet jet!
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Originally Posted by David Puddy View Post
Any news/updates? I thought Gary said (pre-COVID of course) SWA would conduct a strategic review of fleet diversification considering the MAX issue? Is it time for SWA to pull the trigger on the A220?
No updates, but I'd guess all options are on the table given how much the math has changed over the past few months.
We did buy 4 more Max sims a couple months back...and our expanded training center is due to open soon and I heard we asked to have the work on our new Denver terminal expedited.
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