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Old 10-24-2019, 04:33 PM
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Why does it have to be another narrow body?
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Old 10-24-2019, 04:45 PM
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Why does it have to be another narrow body?
Or a even clean sheet since there are other options out there? I don’t see the 737 platform being efficient enough to sustain reorders for even ten more years. In other words, ten years from now we won’t be ordering more 737s. Not just engine efficiency, but avionics that force us to dive n drive at 284kts(not efficient), the necessity to run the apu on the ground to keep cool and other characteristics of the aircraft that aren’t overcome by a newer version. Technology is advancing exponentially and some of those 24 sim bays should’ve been reserved for something else.
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Old 10-24-2019, 04:59 PM
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Wonder how that 797 will pan out.
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Old 10-24-2019, 06:41 PM
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Wonder how that 797 will pan out.
I wouldn’t bet on a killer product developed during bankruptcy.
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Old 10-24-2019, 06:55 PM
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I wouldn’t bet on a killer product developed during bankruptcy.
Why not? Their most recent product developed outside of bankruptcy has killed 346.
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Old 10-25-2019, 01:22 PM
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Why does it have to be another narrow body?
Because there are many logistical issues with flying wide-body aircraft. Our infrastructure doesn’t support it and that’s a very big deal.
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Old 10-25-2019, 01:43 PM
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It’s about time!!!!! This has been a big risk that is finally being addressed. Efficiency is always the goal, but putting all of your eggs in one supplier basket is very risky for any industry. Plus, at some point when you have significant scale (ie hundreds of 737s) you miss-out on pitting suppliers against each other to improve pricing - you reduce your negotiating leverage!!!! Why give up that leverage by just sticking with Boeing? Sorry, but Boeing has failed SWA. Even Ryanair in Europe acquired an all-Airbus operator (Lauda) to have access to non-Boeing airplanes and to improve their negotiating leverage for future airplanes. If Ryanair can do it with their huge 737 fleet, so can SWA...

With the huge current A320/21 NEO order backlog, I am hoping the A220-300 is the logical next choice (backlog is not that big) and that SWA and other airlines will convince Airbus to build the bigger, rumored A220-500 which would have more seats and a lower CASM than any comparable Boeing or traditional Airbus product.

C‘mom Gary, like Delta, Swiss, Air France, Air Canada, Korean, JetBlue and Dave Neelman’s upcoming Moxy, join the CSeries club!!! This is long overdue!
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Old 10-25-2019, 01:56 PM
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I think the question is can Boeing do a clean sheet and if so, how long will it take? The 220 is up and running, while Boeing has the Max, 777x and the mythological 797 ahead of them. In addition, I think it’s clear now that they messed up big time by not providing a 757 replacement.
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Old 10-25-2019, 02:27 PM
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Given the chronic issues with the development of the 787 first and now the MAX disaster, I don’t know why anyone would have faith in Boeing developing anything compelling in the near term to compete with the A321LXR. I would love to see a clean-sheet 797, but I ain’t holding my breath.

Since the acquisition of McDonell Douglas in the 90s, Boeing has become lazy, inept and complacent in terms of design. Given the technology we have available today, Boeing can do better than just re-engining 40 year old airframes...
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Old 10-25-2019, 02:50 PM
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What I meant was “why a clean sheet” with so many options on line now.

Boeing will need a 73 replacement, but we don’t have to wait for it, at least not to replace the -700s.
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