How to get into Southwest
Hello everyone, Southwest pilots
I need advice from you because I'm sure you guys are older than me and you been flying for a long time. Currently, I'm instructing in King Air C90GTI, a beautiful plane. Going to Skywest Airline next year. My background is not really impressing to let me go to Southwest. of course I'm working toward a college degree. I will finish my associate degree this December. I have CFI,CFII and MEI. I just need to know what else I need to do to make my resume more attractive to the HR people in Southwest. I did not fly for the army or US Air Force or anything. Thank you guys. |
Honestly that’s the $64,000 question.
I couldn’t get the time of day even with a 737 type rating. Start building 121 jet time and keep applying every 6 months. Make a list of your top 3 or better your top 6 and apply twice a year. |
Skywest pilots seem to do well at SWA. So fly fly fly. Update your application twice a month. Fly more. Upgrade. Fly even more.
Finish up your degree while you're building time. Night school, correspondence, Engineering, basket weaving, German Polka, who cares. Just get a degree. Fly some more. Update the app twice a month. Keep trying to get to the SWA career expo. Fly some more. After you upgrade, invest in resume review and interview prep. While you're doing this, learn about SWA values, embrace them, live them. So if (when) SWA calls your references, the words they use to describe you are congruent with SWA values. It's not rocket surgery but it can take some time. The good news is that we're hiring now. So build those hours, aim at 1000/yr and see how close you can get. Type rating... Meh. If you've already got a 4 year degree and everything else is sorted already, then maybe it could help. I know some people who have *everything* except hours, so they got the type rating to help communicate their intent to stay with SWA long-term. If that's you, then consider it. |
Originally Posted by flensr
(Post 2919758)
Skywest pilots seem to do well at SWA. So fly fly fly. Update your application twice a month. Fly more. Upgrade. Fly even more.
Finish up your degree while you're building time. Night school, correspondence, Engineering, basket weaving, German Polka, who cares. Just get a degree. Fly some more. Update the app twice a month. Keep trying to get to the SWA career expo. Fly some more. After you upgrade, invest in resume review and interview prep. While you're doing this, learn about SWA values, embrace them, live them. So if (when) SWA calls your references, the words they use to describe you are congruent with SWA values. It's not rocket surgery but it can take some time. The good news is that we're hiring now. So build those hours, aim at 1000/yr and see how close you can get. Type rating... Meh. If you've already got a 4 year degree and everything else is sorted already, then maybe it could help. I know some people who have *everything* except hours, so they got the type rating to help communicate their intent to stay with SWA long-term. If that's you, then consider it. Thanks again. |
For me it was:
ATP multi 7 years regional 121 8 years corporate 91 Three PIC types including 737 8000 total time 1800 PIC Turbine Director of various stuff in the department CFI/CFII/MEI Community volunteer work Bachelors Degree Etc. Four years ago... |
Originally Posted by Volvo90GTI
(Post 2919681)
Hello everyone, Southwest pilots
I need advice from you because I'm sure you guys are older than me and you been flying for a long time. Currently, I'm instructing in King Air C90GTI, a beautiful plane. Going to Skywest Airline next year. My background is not really impressing to let me go to Southwest. of course I'm working toward a college degree. I will finish my associate degree this December. I have CFI,CFII and MEI. I just need to know what else I need to do to make my resume more attractive to the HR people in Southwest. I did not fly for the army or US Air Force or anything. Thank you guys. I kid, I kid. |
Originally Posted by Volvo90GTI
(Post 2919795)
I do have a lot of hours. I'm 27 with TT 2900h.
Thanks again. |
Originally Posted by Volvo90GTI
(Post 2919795)
"Fly some more" hahaha.. well, looks like I'm on the right track, maybe. I do have a lot of hours. I'm 27 with TT 2900h.
https://i.ibb.co/YtvW8wW/C7-D09-FE8-...-D7-B11-E2.jpg |
Easy. For 27 y/o he’s got a decent amount hours. Keep on keeping on man. That said, for the love that is all holy please don’t just apply to SWA.
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Originally Posted by Volvo90GTI
(Post 2919681)
Hello everyone, Southwest pilots
I need advice from you because I'm sure you guys are older than me and you been flying for a long time. Currently, I'm instructing in King Air C90GTI, a beautiful plane. Going to Skywest Airline next year. My background is not really impressing to let me go to Southwest. of course I'm working toward a college degree. I will finish my associate degree this December. I have CFI,CFII and MEI. I just need to know what else I need to do to make my resume more attractive to the HR people in Southwest. I did not fly for the army or US Air Force or anything. Thank you guys. |
Originally Posted by Volvo90GTI
(Post 2919681)
Hello everyone, Southwest pilots
I need advice from you because I'm sure you guys are older than me and you been flying for a long time. Currently, I'm instructing in King Air C90GTI, a beautiful plane. Going to Skywest Airline next year. My background is not really impressing to let me go to Southwest. of course I'm working toward a college degree. I will finish my associate degree this December. I have CFI,CFII and MEI. I just need to know what else I need to do to make my resume more attractive to the HR people in Southwest. I did not fly for the army or US Air Force or anything. Thank you guys. Good luck! |
I agree with most of what has already been said. 2900TT at 27 is more TT than I had at his age so that’s a great start. 2900TT is still not near enough to get hired by any of the Big 4 Airlines. Like Whack already said, please consider all of your options (UA, AA, DL, WN) probably in that order just based on the retirements at those top 3 carriers alone. Seniority is everything in this business and WN as a whole is a much younger Pilot group compared to the Legacies. Choose wisely, and good luck to you.
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Fly as much as you can but , even more importantly, diversify your resume. SkyWest has a lot of opportunities whether it’s joining the recruiting team or check airman after you’re a captain,
Be involved, be different . |
VOLUNTEER!!! Not just at Skywest or the local airport. SWA people truly have a Servants Heart, Warrior Spirit, and a Fun Luving Attitude! If this is the first time you are hearing these things I suggest you google it. Food banks, Childrens Hospital, Habitat for Humanity....take you pick but your volunteer section of your resume should be the most impressive to get SWA’s attention! Good luck and don’t forget to look around and enjoy the view today, you’ll look back on these days with fond memories!
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Originally Posted by at6d
(Post 2919884)
For me it was:
ATP multi 7 years regional 121 8 years corporate 91 Three PIC types including 737 8000 total time 1800 PIC Turbine Director of various stuff in the department CFI/CFII/MEI Community volunteer work Bachelors Degree Etc. Four years ago... Do you think it's okay with some check ride failures? |
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
(Post 2919886)
Well you capitalized US Air Force and not army, so that's a good start!
I kid, I kid. sorry, Army. you reminded me one of my friends, he applied to the big airline, the HR told him, well, you are wearing the wrong tie. So he did not get hired. I don't know if some airlines are so picky for even a tie color to wear for the interview. |
Originally Posted by PotatoChip
(Post 2919887)
Sorry to break it to you, but that's not a lot of hours. Double that and you'll start getting close. The times have been dropping, but not that long ago 10,000 hours was pretty average for a new hire.
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Originally Posted by Salukidawg
(Post 2920232)
I agree with most of what has already been said. 2900TT at 27 is more TT than I had at his age so that’s a great start. 2900TT is still not near enough to get hired by any of the Big 4 Airlines. Like Whack already said, please consider all of your options (UA, AA, DL, WN) probably in that order just based on the retirements at those top 3 carriers alone. Seniority is everything in this business and WN as a whole is a much younger Pilot group compared to the Legacies. Choose wisely, and good luck to you.
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
(Post 2920249)
Fly as much as you can but , even more importantly, diversify your resume. SkyWest has a lot of opportunities whether it’s joining the recruiting team or check airman after you’re a captain,
Be involved, be different .
Originally Posted by Uptair
(Post 2920271)
VOLUNTEER!!! Not just at Skywest or the local airport. SWA people truly have a Servants Heart, Warrior Spirit, and a Fun Luving Attitude! If this is the first time you are hearing these things I suggest you google it. Food banks, Childrens Hospital, Habitat for Humanity....take you pick but your volunteer section of your resume should be the most impressive to get SWA’s attention! Good luck and don’t forget to look around and enjoy the view today, you’ll look back on these days with fond memories!
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
(Post 2920212)
You're doing everything right. Keep applying, keep working on that degree, and don't put all your eggs into the SWA basket. But as others have eluded to, 2900 hours is not a lot of time. So just be patient and realistic about your qualifications and experience. You'll likely need a year as 121 PIC under your belt to make up for your below average TT. I was hired with close to 10000 hours, for perspective. Also, SWA does not have an HR department. Be sure to refer to it as the People Department moving forward to show a better understanding of the company you're trying to become a part of.
Good luck! |
This is starting to feel like a troll job.
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I will take a stab at the check-ride failure question. First off, you should be able to explain the circumstances for each one without being defensive. Also the learning experience from that event. Airlines look closer at 121/135 checkride failures as opposed to those during initial flight training. I would venture to say there is no set number that would knock you out, however if you have a history of them in the airline world then it will be an uphill battle. But for sure, if you can't talk about them or you try to blame someone else for the outcome you will not be favorably considered. Best of luck.
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Originally Posted by Volvo90GTI
(Post 2920337)
Smooth at FL450, Thank you for the advice. how many check ride failures makes it hard to get into SW?
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Originally Posted by WhaleSurfing
(Post 2920467)
How many do you have?
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What was failed?
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Originally Posted by Volvo90GTI
(Post 2920619)
Sadly 4. But nothing 121 or 135.
Whoa... https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0f250513d2.jpg Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by at6d
(Post 2920630)
What was failed?
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Originally Posted by Volvo90GTI
(Post 2920794)
Originally Posted by Volvo90GTI
(Post 2920619)
Sadly 4. But nothing 121 or 135.
PPL, I was young and nervous. IR flight, CFI initial. then multi ad on. Depending, of course, on how you do when you actually do get a 121 training event... |
Originally Posted by Volvo90GTI
(Post 2920794)
PPL, I was young and nervous. IR flight, CFI initial. then multi ad on.
Maybe trolling? Could be. I’m out. |
Originally Posted by Volvo90GTI
(Post 2920619)
Sadly 4. But nothing 121 or 135.
And because you don’t really have a 121/135 history; saying “none” for 121 or 135 is not much help. |
To fail a multi add on.... I smell some troll
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