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Old 12-17-2019, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER View Post
Given past history I’m sure SWAPA pilots will be just fine

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LOL.... Seriously?

Inserting 100% of the pilots from another group, whilst only keeping a small percent of their former airframes, was a GREAT deal for the SW folks?

Both pilot groups voted to ratify that SLI, and within a couple of tenths of a percent of each other (around 85% IIRC) too.

You'd seriously want to roll the SLI dice again?

The only upside with either JB or Spirit, is that there's far less chance of having a bunch of scabs inserted in front of us on the list than last time.
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Old 12-17-2019, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SlipKid View Post
Exactly.

Speaking as a SW guy, for the majority of SW pilots, the only thing worse than the max being grounded would be spinning the seniority Russian roulette wheel with another SLI.
Because stapling the Morris Air pilots must’ve been so detrimental to SWAPA pilots careers, huh?

Or the last go around when SWAPA got together with SWA management to orchestrate a plan that ended up stapling 60% of the acquired FOs, gained an average of 8% relative seniority (with the other side losing 22% on average), and successfully “captured” all of the acquired pilots’ captain seats?

Yes, we’d better hope that our management doesn’t go shopping again. Oh.....the arrogance is just plain astounding.
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Old 12-17-2019, 09:40 AM
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Spirit guy here ... I profoundly respect WN, multiple friends over there, and always enjoy hitching a ride with you guys. It’s a legendary company. I’m a line holding Captain, in the base I want, I drive to work , I hold 4 days off between trips without having down (and get what I want), I’m 40% seniority of the ENTIRE company, and I’ve only been here 6 year. And without much hard work made 240k this year. I’m a product of the lost decade, it’s taken me 20 years to truly be happy with where I finally am. An acquisition would
Probably come with a multi year fence that would protect everyone’s spot in the short term , but after a fence came down I’d be extremely afraid of what my life would look like . Junior OAK CA? Middle of the pack DAL DAL FO ? Who knows . The bump n pay and profit sharing would be nice , but I’m content with spirit doing its own thing organically . Nobody asks me. And that’s ok , just my 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by SlipKid View Post
LOL.... Seriously?

Inserting 100% of the pilots from another group, whilst only keeping a small percent of their former airframes, was a GREAT deal for the SW folks?

Both pilot groups voted to ratify that SLI, and within a couple of tenths of a percent of each other (around 85% IIRC) too.

You'd seriously want to roll the SLI dice again?

The only upside with either JB or Spirit, is that there's far less chance of having a bunch of scabs inserted in front of us on the list than last time.
Not a scab. In fact, I struck for almost three months at a previous carrier. AT had less of a percentage of scabs at the time of the SWA merger than CAL did but yet we took more flack for it. Believe me, their past actions disgust me just as much as they disgust you but out of 1737 pilots, we had 25-50ish scabs.

And yes, even with the loss of 88 B717s SWAPA pilots made out like bandits. They “captured” all the Cptn seats, stapled over half the FOs and gained relative seniority. Hell, the first AT pilot wasn’t inserted in until 1,500 pilots down the list.

Oh, and let’s not forget the aircraft orders that we had on the books for 50 NGs all at a time when SWA had zero orders and zero growth and yet SWA FOs had the delusional audacity to claim that their upgrade was somehow stagnated because of the deal?! Are you kidding me?

Go ahead. Your turn. I’ll be here to keep setting the record straight.
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Old 12-17-2019, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER View Post
Because stapling the Morris Air pilots must’ve been so detrimental to SWAPA pilots careers, huh?
LOL.......

Do you seriously think a staple will ever happen again?

Or the last go around when SWAPA got together with SWA management to orchestrate a plan that ended up stapling 60% of the acquired FOs, gained an average of 8% relative seniority (with the other side losing 22% on average), and successfully “captured” all of the acquired pilots’ captain seats?
And yet, like every other contractual item around here, a baffling 85-88% of both lists voted to ratify it.

Personally, I have a lot of heartburn with what TW and co. came up with the second time around, which is why I voted no. The only SW folks that really made out in this whole thing were the folks who were fortunate enough to be around TW's seniority, and were able to upgrade on the backs of the AT guys.

Yes, we’d better hope that our management doesn’t go shopping again.
My point exactly.

Oh.....the arrogance is just plain astounding.
It's arrogance to not want to chance losing seniority again with another SLI?

I would think that you'd be more gun shy about the whole idea, given your incessant complaining about how you got screwed in the last SLI, but I've given up trying to figure out this pilot group.
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Old 12-17-2019, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER View Post
Not a scab. In fact, I struck for almost three months at a previous carrier. AT had less of a percentage of scabs at the time of the SWA merger than CAL did but yet we took more flack for it. Believe me, their past actions disgust me just as much as they disgust you but out of 1737 pilots, we had 25-50ish scabs.

And yes, even with the loss of 88 B717s SWAPA pilots made out like bandits. They “captured” all the Cptn seats, stapled over half the FOs and gained relative seniority. Hell, the first AT pilot wasn’t inserted in until 1,500 pilots down the list.

Oh, and let’s not forget the aircraft orders that we had on the books for 50 NGs all at a time when SWA had zero orders and zero growth and yet SWA FOs had the delusional audacity to claim that their upgrade was somehow stagnated because of the deal?! Are you kidding me?

Go ahead. Your turn. I’ll be here to keep setting the record straight.
What record? You're just proving my point.
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Old 12-17-2019, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002 View Post
Spirit guy here ... I profoundly respect WN, multiple friends over there, and always enjoy hitching a ride with you guys. It’s a legendary company. I’m a line holding Captain, in the base I want, I drive to work , I hold 4 days off between trips without having down (and get what I want), I’m 40% seniority of the ENTIRE company, and I’ve only been here 6 year. And without much hard work made 240k this year. I’m a product of the lost decade, it’s taken me 20 years to truly be happy with where I finally am. An acquisition would
Probably come with a multi year fence that would protect everyone’s spot in the short term , but after a fence came down I’d be extremely afraid of what my life would look like . Junior OAK CA? Middle of the pack DAL DAL FO ? Who knows . The bump n pay and profit sharing would be nice , but I’m content with spirit doing its own thing organically . Nobody asks me. And that’s ok , just my 2 cents.

All justifiable concerns.

Let's hope, for all of our sake, that management doesn't go back to the acquisition trough again.
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Old 12-17-2019, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by SlipKid View Post
All justifiable concerns.

Let's hope, for all of our sake, that management doesn't go back to the acquisition trough again.
I agree but...we need a plan...max out till forever at this rate, 5 years for new fleet type? I mean to me a acquisition makes the most sense by GK hasn’t called to ask my opinion yet.

There has to be talked about what comes after the 737 too cOs after the max idk if it’s a line worth continueibg maybe make a composite but call it something else
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Old 12-17-2019, 11:44 AM
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I agree but...we need a plan...max out till forever at this rate, 5 years for new fleet type? I mean to me a acquisition makes the most sense by GK hasn’t called to ask my opinion yet.
Not that either of us, (other than the eventual yes or no vote), will have any say in the matter, but IMHO, in the long run, we're better off weathering the Max nonsense like we have been than we are dealing with an SLI.

The more junior you are, the worse off you're likely to be. At best, you're likely to gain nothing.

Both suck, but ask Whack and the Angry 80's how well they did last time around. I'm betting that their answers are eerily similar.

Maybe we'll use realistic pay rate comparisons to our peers in 2020, now that many of us are stuck flying the guarantee.

There has to be talked about what comes after the 737 too cOs after the max idk if it’s a line worth continueibg maybe make a composite but call it something else
Again, all stuff way beyond our pay grade, but wishing for a merger is akin to wishing that you'll shoot yourself in the foot.
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Old 12-17-2019, 01:29 PM
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Foot? I’d say head. No merger please baby Jesus.
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