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05-18-2020, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Personally, I think the economic shutdown is gonna go down in history as one of the worst possible decisions we ever made.
From both a medical and financial point of view.
05-18-2020, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
In 1968, we had the Hong Kong flu pandemic. It killed over a million people worldwide and over 100,000 in the US. This is also back in the day when we had around 200 million people living in this country. No shutdowns or lockdowns. They even held Woodstock.
Personally, I think the economic shutdown is gonna go down in history as one of the worst possible decisions we ever made.
Personally, I think the economic shutdown is gonna go down in history as one of the worst possible decisions we ever made.
India is one of the dirtiest most polluted countries in the world. They locked down tight and still are. they haven't hit 100,000 cases yet and have only 3000 deaths...with over a Billion in population. You are deluding yourself if you think this is going to improve anytime soon. We "Americans" have become an ignorant bunch and are going to pay the price with this one. If 60% of our population gets this even at the original posters .03% mortality that's 600,000 deaths. Is that ok with you? How many deaths is OK to warrant an economic shutdown??
05-18-2020, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by formerdal
Really!?!?!
India is one of the dirtiest most polluted countries in the world. They locked down tight and still are. they haven't hit 100,000 cases yet and have only 3000 deaths...with over a Billion in population. You are deluding yourself if you think this is going to improve anytime soon. We "Americans" have become an ignorant bunch and are going to pay the price with this one. If 60% of our population gets this even at the original posters .03% mortality that's 600,000 deaths. Is that ok with you? How many deaths is OK to warrant an economic shutdown??
India is one of the dirtiest most polluted countries in the world. They locked down tight and still are. they haven't hit 100,000 cases yet and have only 3000 deaths...with over a Billion in population. You are deluding yourself if you think this is going to improve anytime soon. We "Americans" have become an ignorant bunch and are going to pay the price with this one. If 60% of our population gets this even at the original posters .03% mortality that's 600,000 deaths. Is that ok with you? How many deaths is OK to warrant an economic shutdown??
CNBC's had two funny datapoints listed since things started to open up - both measured in percentages. The first was the increase in confirmed cases. The second was the increase in testing. Done by state. I never saw a state where the increase in confirmed cases was higher than the increase in testing.
In other words, they'd show something like a 21% increase in confirmed cases and a 28% increase in testing.
05-18-2020, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
In 1968, we had the Hong Kong flu pandemic. It killed over a million people worldwide and over 100,000 in the US. This is also back in the day when we had around 200 million people living in this country. No shutdowns or lockdowns. They even held Woodstock.
Personally, I think the economic shutdown is gonna go down in history as one of the worst possible decisions we ever made.
Personally, I think the economic shutdown is gonna go down in history as one of the worst possible decisions we ever made.
05-18-2020, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Timmay
I see we've moved on from comparing the severity of this pandemic to the flu to comparing it to catastrophic natural disasters. A month ago it was "Yeah but the flu killed 45,000 people last year and this has only killed 20,000 and we're destroying the economy!" What's going to be the next parameter people compare this virus to in order to say it's not serious enough to warrant quarantining and justify getting back to normal?
The deadliest tsunami in history, by the way, killed 230,000 people. I think worldwide covid death counts are over 300,000. Earthquakes have been deadlier, with a few in history reaching over 750,000 deaths in a single event. So what are we gauging this against next once the death tolls go past that?
The deadliest tsunami in history, by the way, killed 230,000 people. I think worldwide covid death counts are over 300,000. Earthquakes have been deadlier, with a few in history reaching over 750,000 deaths in a single event. So what are we gauging this against next once the death tolls go past that?
b. The Tsunami killed 230,000 people IN A FAIRLY LOCALIZED AREA over the course of eight hours - and as soon as they got the bodies out of the water tourists went right back to the Beaches.
c. If everything else fails, we have the Yucatán meteor strike, which had that not happened you and I would probably be conversing with each other in reptile...
05-18-2020, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
But it wasn't "1968." It was the summer of 1968 until winter of 1969/70. Eighteen-ish months in order to kill 100,000 Americans, with (like you said) little or no preventative measures being taken. We'll be at 100,000 deaths soon (next week maybe). That's 100,000 in 4 months with the country locked down. Tell me again how they're the same thing.
I see your point. At some number, it makes sense to lock everyone down. But these numbers just don't justify it. The economic impact of this is devastating and long lasting. Wait and see.
05-18-2020, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Loon
How many people have been killed in car accidents the last 4 months?
should we stop driving?
I better that: let's all live in tupperware.
People, this ain't Eden; stuff is gonna happen in life.
should we stop driving?
I better that: let's all live in tupperware.
People, this ain't Eden; stuff is gonna happen in life.
No, we shouldn't. But, we have speed limits, mandatory seat belt laws, drunk driving laws, mandatory airbags, minimum safety standards that auto manufacturers have to abide by, mandatory helmet laws, age restrictions, licensing tests, and so on.
What would the auto deaths be without those measures in place? You don't think the government has implemented laws, restrictions and programs in order to reduce traffic fatalities? Come on...
05-18-2020, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
Again, another asinine comparison.
No, we shouldn't. But, we have speed limits, mandatory seat belt laws, drunk driving laws, mandatory airbags, minimum safety standards that auto manufacturers have to abide by, mandatory helmet laws, age restrictions, licensing tests, and so on.
What would the auto deaths be without those measures in place? You don't think the government has implemented laws, restrictions and programs in order to reduce traffic fatalities? Come on...
No, we shouldn't. But, we have speed limits, mandatory seat belt laws, drunk driving laws, mandatory airbags, minimum safety standards that auto manufacturers have to abide by, mandatory helmet laws, age restrictions, licensing tests, and so on.
What would the auto deaths be without those measures in place? You don't think the government has implemented laws, restrictions and programs in order to reduce traffic fatalities? Come on...
People are going to get sick. You can’t stop death. Isolating yourself in a bubble is a personal choice. For those who don’t care, they can go back to work and live life. Everything you do from the time you wake up til you go to bed is a risk.
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