Cargo MOU
05-31-2020, 02:22 PM
#11
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Upside - flying cargo only flights with our own metal. More revenue opportunities for the company, more flying opportunities for SWAPA pilots.
Downside - chips away at our section 1. They are awarding and running these as charter flights, which generally go very senior, so no direct benefit to 85 percent of the list.
I am a yes. In the balance of things right now, this could be a good opportunity. Knowing SWA and how long it takes them to do anything new, I highly doubt they will get their act together in time to make a significant impact. If it keeps even one pilot gainfully employed, then it is worth it. It's a concession but relatively harmless.
Downside - chips away at our section 1. They are awarding and running these as charter flights, which generally go very senior, so no direct benefit to 85 percent of the list.
I am a yes. In the balance of things right now, this could be a good opportunity. Knowing SWA and how long it takes them to do anything new, I highly doubt they will get their act together in time to make a significant impact. If it keeps even one pilot gainfully employed, then it is worth it. It's a concession but relatively harmless.
06-01-2020, 04:59 AM
#13
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Not sure I see it as necessarily chipping away at Section 1. This is for the additional flying done by SWAPA pilots on Southwest Airlines seniority list for Southwest Airlines. My objections are and always will be if anyone other than SWAPA pilots on Southwest Airlines seniority list do the flying for Southwest Airlines.
It's a double-edged sword in how it gets implemented. I personally don't have a gripe in labeling it as charter and paid as such. I don't think these will be as screaming deals as people think.
It's a double-edged sword in how it gets implemented. I personally don't have a gripe in labeling it as charter and paid as such. I don't think these will be as screaming deals as people think.
06-01-2020, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Upside - flying cargo only flights with our own metal. More revenue opportunities for the company, more flying opportunities for SWAPA pilots.
Downside - chips away at our section 1. They are awarding and running these as charter flights, which generally go very senior, so no direct benefit to 85 percent of the list.
I am a yes. In the balance of things right now, this could be a good opportunity. Knowing SWA and how long it takes them to do anything new, I highly doubt they will get their act together in time to make a significant impact. If it keeps even one pilot gainfully employed, then it is worth it. It's a concession but relatively harmless.
Downside - chips away at our section 1. They are awarding and running these as charter flights, which generally go very senior, so no direct benefit to 85 percent of the list.
I am a yes. In the balance of things right now, this could be a good opportunity. Knowing SWA and how long it takes them to do anything new, I highly doubt they will get their act together in time to make a significant impact. If it keeps even one pilot gainfully employed, then it is worth it. It's a concession but relatively harmless.
06-01-2020, 06:49 AM
#16
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
how does it chip away at section 1? This flying isn’t being outsourced...
Our section 1 includes cargo flights. If cargo only flights are conducted, we get a reopener. That's the whole reason for the MOU.
06-01-2020, 09:58 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Our section 1 includes cargo flights. If cargo only flights are conducted, we get a reopener. That's the whole reason for the MOU.
06-01-2020, 10:01 AM
#18
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I think people should look at this as if we are at full schedule, as is proposed by year end, rather than as a way to stave off furlough .
we've given them everything they wanted in the last few months under the guise of saving the company and now they put out a full schedule guaranteeing no furloughs.
I like the idea of cargo but I also think there are reasons we put reopeners in the contract.
the one year expiration is a good idea and maybe one that allows the company to get used to it then we get something the next time, however, quid pro quo has not happened in a long while. Ie: 800, max, hindsight, ETO etc
we've given them everything they wanted in the last few months under the guise of saving the company and now they put out a full schedule guaranteeing no furloughs.
I like the idea of cargo but I also think there are reasons we put reopeners in the contract.
the one year expiration is a good idea and maybe one that allows the company to get used to it then we get something the next time, however, quid pro quo has not happened in a long while. Ie: 800, max, hindsight, ETO etc
06-01-2020, 12:54 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by BZC17
To add onto this. We are selling low due to the current economic environment (with the hope of no furlough). In any other environment we would ask for pay rate increase, grievances complied with and/or built cargo lines. Short term benefit is a way for swa to get quick cash. Long term cost to the pilot group is unknown.
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