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From our ALPA JS committee:
"Most major carriers are placing caps on their seating, however the Jumpseat is exempt from all seat caps. This is causing some confusion among the Gate Agents. If there is confusion, please reach out to a committee member immediately."

From SWA:
"The flight deck jumpseat will continue to be requested and cleared following our standard procedures. However, the Captain may decide if that individual will be permitted to sit in the flight deck. If the Captain does not permit them to sit in the flight deck and the flight is not at capacity, the jumpseater can sit in the cabin. If the flight is at the capped capacity, the jumpseater will be removed from the flight and may relist on a different flight. We will not be able to oversell or overbook the flight to accommodate the jumpseater."

Is SWA not a major carrier anymore?

What makes you ask that question?


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That all ALPA carriers will ignore the cap to get a pilot to work but SWA will not?

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That's not the question you asked.

If we reach the artificial cap you can ride the Jumpseat as long as the Captain approves (this is the way it is at every carrier I'm aware of). We are not allowing a flow back into the cabin above the cap. I guess other carriers are doing this differently. We are disappointed in the policy as well. I would honestly be a little surprised if a Captain denied the jumpseat, but these are crazy times I guess. Certainly nothing that I condone.


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It is the question I implied. If there is more than 2 JS-ers (or more than 1 on the AT 737s) the cap will prevent you from getting a cabin seat, on ALPA carriers it will not. Maybe you could do more than being disappointed or not condoning.

Being snarky is not going to get the action you desire. This applies to our guys as much as anyone else.


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Most of us are very upset with this and *****ing. I would recommend you and anyone else contacting SWAPA, and let them know how you feel . Some outside pressure could not hurt .

I've contacted ALPA already, there is not much more I can do..

Being snarky is the only tool I have. I have contacted ALPA. What have you done.

What does ALPA have to do with Southwest?

I cannot contact SWAPA, because I am not a SWAPA member. We are all pilots, and half of us commute on each other to get to work. Do you want to go back to the days when you could only commute on your own airline? I contacted ALPA because they can talk to SWAPA.

there you go........[email protected]

Yes, email sent... But I would have to think pressure from their members would be more effective than OAL pilots emailing....

Agreed and trying . Thanks for taking the time and sending

It's all good, thanks for the civil response.

Not much, and that is the problem....

Wow, you're a whiny, entitled one.

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Well, if it helps, I'm not a millennial. Commuted for 15 out of the last 21 years, so forgive if I'm a bit sensitive about things that affect my ability to get to work.

(Yeah, I know, it's a "choice")

You're complaining about how another airline is operating? Go travel on your own metal if you don't like it. Gmafb

Honest question: Do you commute? Do you realize half of us do? Yes, I will complain about how another airline operates when it concerns a reciprocal agreement.

according to alpha the cap is firm, they can’t influence companies policies , what’s your source that they will ignore safety policies?

not saying you’re wrong since I’m not alpa just asking

Apologies for all the offended. Just got a reply from my Union rep, and there are several other airlines doing the same. Can't say I agree, but definitely can't complain about SWA if there is more doing the same. I'm back to drinking beer in the backyard....


I quoted the SPA ALPA email in my post.
AFAIK this complies with the safety policy. There is no federal requirements to keep the middle seat open. Also,with no seat assignment there is no way to make sure the middle seat remains open on SWA.
"Spirit currently has a soft-block on middle seats on all aircraft seats, these seats will not be assigned to any passenger, revenue, or non-rev UNTIL soft-block capacity is reached. Then, middle seats will begin to be assigned to any passenger, jumpseaters included. As always, cockpit jumpseats are available, subject to PIC approval."

Unfortunately this policy applies to SWA pilots as well as offline pilots. So if the jumpseats are full and the seat cap is met even a Southwest pilot can’t get on the aircraft. Dumb policy and SWAPA is trying to get it changed but so far they can’t get management to change it.

Yes I commute. I'm not going to ***** about another airline on how they run their airline when I'm begging for a ride. Ride your own metal then. Luckily I don't go on other airlines but my own.

I understand, because you got lucky everyone else can go eff themselves. Great attitude.

Ouch


He is frustrated with how we now give JS, you have to admit our new policy sucks .

Yes it totally sucks. In the last 5 years here we have lost walk up listing, seen captains authority eroded wrt weight restrictions, and now this. The jumpseat makes being a commuter possible. Half the pilots commute to work.
How we treat guests is directly reflected in how they treat us.

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You are all still welcome to walk up to the gate anytime you like and list for our jumpseat. Our agents will either give you a seat assignment, tell you that you will most likely get a seat assignment when they clear the other passriders, or give you the jumpseat form if you will indeed need to ride in the cockpit. We will make sure you get something to eat if you end up riding up front. Hopefully we never resort to a third party listing requirement at United. It isn’t the end of the world to use the my ID travel site, just another step while running through a terminal trying to get home. A little forethought (having it filled out online in advance even if it is a backup) goes a long way. Looks like I’ll be commuting again sometime later this year. Never say never.


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