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saab2000 06-09-2021 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by ROFF (Post 3247702)
Perhaps it’s YOU!! I kid, I kid.

As it was said before. Speak up, be direct. Don’t avoid a good trip, line because someone is a tool. I actually enjoy calling out the tools, then it’s ME they avoid.

It's certain that I'm part of it. I don't think I'm disagreeable but I won't deny that after 25 years in the business it's hard to start over. Maybe the guys I'm avoiding are too much like myself!

Actually, the guys I plan to have on my list when I go back aren't horrible guys at all. But why not just make life easier for all of us and not fly together.

CA1900 06-09-2021 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3247680)
There's always pro standards...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2rVcxkbIQc

:D

usernamehere 06-09-2021 02:24 PM

I added one during Covid because there was nothing in ELITT. But now I change my line so much that I guess it doesn’t really matter.

Skyward 06-09-2021 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by bondjamesbond (Post 3247641)
You can’t leaves us hanging! No names, but what happened?


Haha. It’s actually nothing very specific or terrible. Just a chronic complainer and wound a little too tight.

I was just curious if anyone else could see I avoided them. I’ve never used it before

I actually didn’t even do it this bid. I think I’d just rather take my chances then use ELITT or other means to change it.

ipdanno 06-09-2021 08:22 PM

Skyward,
I thought we had a GREAT pairing! Couldn’t have been better! You were such a nice captive audience.

When I FO’d, I didn’t use the A-Bid. I figured a strong offense was the best defense. Kind of a challenge.

On occasion, I sat with someone who raised flags, and I watched more closely. If my concerns were validated, I would start calling them out on their shenanigans. Because attitudes often go hand in hand with deviations. Make them avoid me.

I flew 1/2 of a 3-day with a Reserve-by-Choice captain who called out sick for a day-prior assignment because the FO was “a real jerk”. I knew the other FO, and he was a great guy, and a professional unwilling to tolerate stupidity. Forewarned. Sure enough, this CA did stupid things. I called him out, he got angry. I never flew with him again. His choice, maybe.

So Skyward, if you still feel you must, my employee number is I-P-D-A-N-N-O.

I always thought we made made a great team.

at6d 06-10-2021 12:51 AM

I’ve flown with many of the top of the avoidance listers, and was able to confirm the rumors. That being said, now that ELITT is populated again, I’ll bid what I want and take a chance.

The positive side is that most of those guys have now retired—a handful of tools in the tool shed I suppose but I’ve never used the avoidance bid yet. Hopefully won’t have to!

Mozam 06-10-2021 01:48 AM


Originally Posted by Skyward (Post 3247617)
Never used it before. If I add someone to my avoidance bid, can they ever know it? Just curious if that info is ever displayed on SWALife or somewhere else

No. The pilot cannot see it. The front office knows who the high avoidance plots are. They are able to see how many avoidance bids a pilot has against him. .

PropPiedmont 06-10-2021 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by at6d (Post 3247700)
Three in one domicile? I hope it’s not at the Lukewaffe Base.

Ha. I had the same guy listed 3 times on my AB before he retired. Figured that I’d give him two extra asterisks for Dallas to tally.

RJSAviator76 06-10-2021 10:57 PM

I dunno how much y'all care about your schedule or layovers, but I do. A dirtbag doesn't get affected by your avoidance bid, but you do... you lose out on quite possibly the fantastic line because you don't want to tell the guy to his face that he's making easy hard. I don't have a problem with that. Uncomfortable discussion for a few minutes, but usually a great trip and never another issue afterwards. It's all about your priorities.

PropPiedmont 06-11-2021 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3248388)
I dunno how much y'all care about your schedule or layovers, but I do. A dirtbag doesn't get affected by your avoidance bid, but you do... you lose out on quite possibly the fantastic line because you don't want to tell the guy to his face that he's making easy hard. I don't have a problem with that. Uncomfortable discussion for a few minutes, but usually a great trip and never another issue afterwards. It's all about your priorities.

12 years of avoidance bidding, and I never lost my line to the AB process. So, theoretically, I never had to even AB a guy, but I got to smile each month sending Dallas the guys number.


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