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Zard 11-19-2021 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by at6d (Post 3324876)
Probably have to brush up on the Challenger disaster regarding “drift,” ABCD, red yellow green circles and squares, and also ask why you don’t want to go to Flight Safety for double pay.

The irony of SWA using Morton Thiokol as a case study is a bit much, even for me.

What would you call it when a corporation knows it can't cover the schedule it published without working people on their days off, and then does it anyway?

MudhammedCJ 11-19-2021 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by at6d (Post 3324876)
Probably have to brush up on the Challenger disaster regarding “drift,” ABCD, red yellow green circles and squares, and also ask why you don’t want to go to Flight Safety for double pay.

And tell them you aren't stepping foot on property without a seniority number. Because until they do that, they are spinning their wheels.

flyguy81 11-19-2021 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by Zard (Post 3324896)
The irony of SWA using Morton Thiokol as a case study is a bit much, even for me.

What would you call it when a corporation knows it can't cover the schedule it published without working people on their days off, and then does it anyway?

Dumb. (Filler)

ZapBrannigan 11-20-2021 05:26 AM

I did find it funny that they were having a discussion about normalization of deviance in a building with signs everywhere that say 'wearing a mask is required' but where nobody was wearing a mask. [emoji38]

waterskisabersw 11-20-2021 05:33 AM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3325209)
I did find it funny that they were having a discussion about normalization of deviance in a building with signs everywhere that say 'wearing a mask is required' but where nobody was wearing a mask. [emoji38]

this company's motto should be "normalization of drift" (they even had to out-do nasa and find a better term 🙄). VNAV=that's just how the system works. Scheduling meltdowns=that's just a one time occurrence. Manuals suck=manuals and the FAA are complicated, you wouldn't understand despite having worked at multiple airlines where manuals didn't suck. Unable to be on time=Continue to let ground ops take care of it. Tech debt=swa is unique so we can't use programs that every other airline uses. 1980s contract language=the language we've had in there hasn't hurt us yet, TFP is unique and different because we're swa!

The list goes on and on, but I agree with the company that none of those things I mentioned are nearly as dangerous as us saying "nines and twos". (/sarcasm)

WHACKMASTER 11-20-2021 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by waterskisabersw (Post 3325211)
this company's motto should be "normalization of drift" (they even had to out-do nasa and find a better term 🙄). VNAV=that's just how the system works. Scheduling meltdowns=that's just a one time occurrence. Manuals suck=manuals and the FAA are complicated, you wouldn't understand despite having worked at multiple airlines where manuals didn't suck. Unable to be on time=Continue to let ground ops take care of it. Tech debt=swa is unique so we can't use programs that every other airline uses. 1980s contract language=the language we've had in there hasn't hurt us yet, TFP is unique and different because we're swa!

The list goes on and on, but I agree with the company that none of those things I mentioned are nearly as dangerous as us saying "nines and twos". (/sarcasm)

Nines & twos? Here I’ve been saying STDs the whole time. Thanks. I’ll be sure to correct that before my next check ride.

Zard 11-20-2021 08:16 AM

You forgot all the airplanes we've crashed because the pilot flying said speed instead of airspeed coming through 1000'

why do you guys hate safety?

ZapBrannigan 11-20-2021 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by Zard (Post 3325268)
You forgot all the airplanes we've crashed because the pilot flying said speed instead of airspeed coming through 1000'

why do you guys hate safety?


I was corrected because before I started reading a checklist, I would state the name of the checklist I was about to begin reading.

So if the Captain said "before start originating checklist" I would repeat, "Before start originating checklist... logbook.."

That was apparently worth a debrief after we were done.

Naturally, being a believer in safety I thanked him for correcting me and said I'll work to correct it.

e6bpilot 11-20-2021 08:44 AM

Simulator Instructor
 
I hope the Air Force F-15 Kernal that designed this year's training steps on a Lego.

What a waste of 3 precious days. They have the opportunity once a year to bring us in and really make a difference and they wasted it on discussing proper call out verbiage and north face jackets.

And yeah, the company who, by all accounts, is perfectly imitating Morton Thiakol lecturing us?! That's pretty rich.

at6d 11-20-2021 08:47 AM

And management was the cause of the shuttle “drift.”


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