dera

Did you just post a link without actually reading it? That's like the ultimate cherrypick of a statistic ever.
Under the age of 50. 61k vaccinated, 212k unvaccinated in cases.
Emergency care visits, 1.6k vaccinated, 8.8k unvaccinated.
Total including the elderly (who are by vast majority vaccinated), 113k vaccinated, 220k unvaccinated.

The fact that people over the age of 50 are 6 times less likely to be positive is because such a majority of that age group has been vaccinated.

That statistic shows how effective the vaccine is. Don't try to cherry pick your way through it.

rickair7777

There are two separate things...

1. Does the virus spread readily via contact? That's normally yes for a resp virus because it gets in saliva & mucous, which gets on our hands, and then gets left on surfaces. Some variability based on how long a particular bug survives on a surface. Early on they assessed that covid could spread that way.

2. Is a contact a statistically significant real-world vector? You'd think the answer would be the same as #1, and it would be for a pre-school class. But within days of covid hysteria ramping up EVERYBODY older than about four got a LOT more conscientious about hand washing, avoiding surfaces, and sanitizing surfaces. That not only protects you, but it also helps prevent you from spreading it to others. My suspicion is that the contact vector faded into obscurity because of our hyper-vigilant behavior. Unlike masks vs. aerosol, washing hands and cleanings surfaces (if done right) is indisputably about 99.9% effective in eliminating that vector.

We might even be in a post-hysteria era where contact spread is increasing as people relax a bit.

Thedude86

Yes, so the vaccines kinda work. Although, with how they were originally advertised, I would think those numbers would be a lot better.

Regardless, put the numbers in perspective. So there’s an argument for people 50 and over to get the shot. But what about younger people? They want vaccines for kids now. People aged 0-17 are 10 times more likely to be murdered than die of covid. In my age group I’m about 10-20% more likely to be murdered than die of covid. And that’s based off 2019 murder numbers. I’m sure it’s worse now.

If someone came up to me and said, “hey take this magic potion to reduce your chances of being murdered by 6 times”. Id probably roll my eyes and walk away. And while rare, I’m basically risking blood clots and an inflamed heart for something that takes me from 99.99% to 99.999% likely to live. La Dee freakin Da. And also, there’s more covid deaths in the U.S. in 2021 than in 2020. So I’m gonna risk side effects for that kind of effectiveness?

Second, Even Dr. Fauci admits masks don’t do anything in his emails amongst colleagues. He says they only help protect against sneezes and large droplets. Private Fauci and Public Fauci are two very different people. That’s why before 2020, nurses and doctors didn’t wear masks for normal checkups. Surgeons wore masks because they’re literally breathing over an open body.

rickair7777

They would have, if not for delta. They can deploy a booster, there's info and discussion about that on the last page of this thread:

Vaccine Development Summary


Ignorance. The side effects are associated with specific demographics and specific vaccines... If you're in one of the demographics, avoid the vaccine in question and get a different one. You're probably not both a pregnant young woman and a teenage male (although I guess anythings possible these days).

2021 included the winter surge before most vaccinations, and it includes delta. Vaccination would pose less risk than delta by a long shot, unless maybe you're a teenager.

RJSAviator76

Oh yeah? Define a “birthing person” then, ya misogynistic sexist.

Besides, I identify as a teenage male… who are you to tell me I’m a middle aged geezer?

OOfff

/r/onejoke

Thedude86

Variants will always be around. Moderna’s CEO said in January 2021, Covid is endemic, never going away, and that the world will have to live with Covid forever. In August 2021, he also said to expect 12 to 18 more months of mutations and there is also a possibility those mutations could combine. https://www.healthcareitnews.com/new...irus-mutations Either he’s saying it because its true or he’s saying it as an excuse to make sure governments keep buying his vaccines. Also, the boosters are so safe, the FDA recommends against them unless you’re over 65 or at high risk. Maybe since I come in close contact with thousands of people in the terminal I could be considered high risk, but how many average Americans would fit that description? Not many. One of Pfizer’s own scientists admits that the vaccines can only target one specific piece of the virus, while natural infection targets multiple pieces. Sounds like natural immunity is the only way to limit variations and mutations… according to Pfizer at least.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...accines-covid/
You might have to have a subscription to read it, but it shows teenage boys are 6 times more likely to have heart problems from the vaccines than be hospitalized from Covid. Yea, I’m not a teenager, but I’m not too many age groups above that. So maybe instead of 6x more likely I’m twice as likely or equally as likely. The vaccines are so safe that Denmark and Norway in the last few weeks have advised against the Moderna vaccine in people under 18 because of heart inflammation. Also recently, Sweden, Finland, and now Iceland advise against the Moderna vaccine in people under 30 because of heart problems. Perhaps if we had more than 6 months of human testing we would have had this data already. Pfizer admits that barely 2 months after full FDA approval, they are now testing to study the severity of myocarditis. Another Pfizer scientist says its possible their vaccine could be pulled from the market based on these tests. Again, not even 2 months after full FDA approval. I wonder how much Pfizer would be pushing their vaccines if they could be held liable. Telling someone to “just take one of the other vaccines” isn’t very comforting. “Hey, I know Moderna isn’t recommended for those under 30. I know Pfizer is worried their vaccine could be pulled from the market, but just take one of these other vaccines that were also only tested for 6 months.

90% of the people dying of Covid are of the age group that got vaccinated first starting in December 2020. So maybe you could include the January numbers with the 2020 numbers. Beyond that, the people getting vaccinated make up a very small percentage of total Covid death. So instead of more deaths in 2021 there’s “only” just as many deaths compared to 2020.

FA24

Treasury IG to audit airline compliance with CARES Act loans, amid COVID vaccine layoffs

United Airlines said it would terminate some 600 employees for refusing to comply with its vaccine mandate

The Treasury Department inspector general is planning to conduct an audit on whether major airline companies are in compliance with the terms of their federal government loans under the CARES Act, amid layoffs of employees due to coronavirus vaccine mandates.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...ance-cares-act

RJSAviator76

There we have it… the Commissar of the Compliance for Motherland’s Greater Good.

Comrade Stalin would be proud.

Lewbronski

The request to look into the airlines’ handling of CARES Act money came from Josh Hawley. It seems like a reasonable thing to do to make sure the airlines appropriately used the cash they received from the federal government. Personally, I’m glad the government has gone after people who fraudulently obtained PPP loans and bought Lambos and vacations with the funds they received. Seems reasonable to go after any kind of analogous fraud that went on at the airlines.

Also, has anyone heard what is going to happen to people who refuse the vaccine and don’t get an accommodation since Kelly said no one is going to lose their jobs? Are they going to be put on paid leave? Is the company going to give up its status as a federal government contractor and the revenue that goes along with that status in order to prevent anyone from being terminated? Are they just going to grant everyone who asks for one an accommodation? Something else?