itsmeguppy

Show me the source for 30-40%. The tail end of your “argument” is literally baseless speculation.


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rickair7777

There are significant differences between covid, colds, and the flu.

"Common Cold" is actually any of about 200 viruses, of several different types (including some coronaviruses).

Flu mutates constantly and very rapidly in a special ecosystem of vast numbers of pigs, chickens, and peasants in Asia. Multiple human variants come out of that annually and they pick 3-4 to include in the flu shot.

Covid hasn't gotten into livestock in a manner such that it can't be isolated from humans. We'll probably only be dealing with a few significant variants over the long-term


That's a well-known phenomena. The cells that handle taste and smell are very fragile and interact chemically with all sorts of random stuff from outside the body. They don't normally live very long anyway, so your body replaces them on a regular basis. If covid kills them off, just wait a few weeks, they'll be back. Similar to skin cells, if you get a sunburn they'll grow back too.

MA's are not a practical preventative unless perhaps you have a known exposure.

Those would help, at least one is looking pretty good at about 50% reduction in hospitalization. But they don't do anything to prevent spread because by the time you have symptoms (and maybe get a test) it's too late.

itsmeguppy

Our workgroup has a tendency to think because they are in control of a flying metal tube, that they are in control of everything.

We are skilled labor.

If you want to be an executive, put in your two week notice, and pursue your dream of being a Southwest CEO!


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usernamehere

bro, you keep saying this. If that’s the case then the mRNA vaccines would also not work. mRNA vaccines cause your body to build one part of covid (spike protein). Natural immunity your body gets info on the whole entire thing. This is why mRNA won’t be used against the flu.

Thedude86

I don’t have the numbers specifically for all hospital workers. But the country as a whole is about 50% fully vaccinated. And again, how many of those only got the shot because they were forced to? I think whether you are a doctor or nurse is still largely dependent on blue state vs. red state. I know several doctors that are vaccinated, but also don’t believe in mandates or that anyone under 65 should get it if they’re healthy. I know tons of nurses and a vast majority of them are against not just the mandates but the vaccines themselves even though several of them are vaccinated. I also live in a red state though. Like I said, I don’t have the specific numbers but just because 0.5% of nurses are willing to be fired doesn’t mean that 99.5% of nurses actually support the vaccines or the mandates.

itsmeguppy

That’s literally just your opinion on how immunizations work. Why do you think there’s talk about having a COVID booster every year—akin to the flu shot?

You’re a pilot.

You are not an immunization expert. If you want to go study infectious diseases, by all means, put in your notice, quit your job, and go back to school!


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itsmeguppy

I literally didn’t have to read past your first sentence.

Knock it off. Stop listening to partisan talking heads and put a little faith in humanity.

What is the endgame for the government, if everything that you said is true? I’m genuinely curious about your thoughts on this.


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Thedude86

The endgame is money. Drug companies pay off the politicians like they have for eternity. Everyone used to be in agreement on this. It’s only been since 2020 that now half the country thinks the drug companies don’t care about profits and don’t lobby politicians. Politicians make some money to implement policies that make the drug companies billions. I don’t have proof that Joey Bribes has specifically been paid off by big pharma but it is proven that he and his son accepted numerous million dollar payments when he was Vice President. To say it’s not possible now is very naive. Regardless, it’s not just him. Lots of politicians have become dictator like over this. I can provide sources that show big pharma spends millions on lobbying even before Covid. You dont think they would lobby now when they can get the whole world to use their products. Pfizer’s own scientist even has said they’re just operating on Covid money now. Pfizer alone made over 15 billion last year.

Drug companies have big influences in other countries, but not like they do in the U.S. Why else in almost every other country do they give you credit for natural immunity but not here in the U.S.? Even Dr. Fauci couldn’t give CNN a reason why people with natural immunity can’t be given credit. We are one of the only countries in the entire world that says screw you even if you’ve had covid already. It’s because natural immunity is free. Natural immunity doesn’t make big pharma any money. Again, everyone was in agreement that drug companies were evil since the beginning of time until 2019. Only since 2020 does half the country now believe big pharma is only worried about the common good and could care less about their profits.

itsmeguppy

I agree with nearly the entirety of your response. But, what is the answer? Is it “the government” that should be feared, or is it greedy corporations. This is what happens when you subscribe to a libertarian/puritan notion of the world. There will always be greed-driven forces that hijack.

Having said that, I really do think at this point, the government is scrambling to recover the economy. I think we should listen to the experts, and not 5th rate politicos, with a degree in google.

“The vaccine” is safe. It’s not mind control. It was created under Tru*p.

We are the same age (going off of your screen name) I’ve heard “free market” “free market” my entire life. Isn’t this the free market? 3 top pharmaceuticals that have gobbled up everyone underneath them are now competing to save the world with their product. Sounds an awful like our industry.


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LUVisLost

I feel for you man. To go through life thinking someone is always trying to grift you. What a terrible way to live.

Big Pharma is a business. That’s true. Big Pharma may make money but without them and the NIH and University’s throughout the country working together yours and everyone else’s quality of life would be much worse. Big Pharma makes the most money on designer drugs. Drugs that don’t address a national health emergency. They don’t need to R&D and go through the rigors of getting these drugs into bodies to make money. They do just fine without going through that process.