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calmemployment 08-06-2023 01:31 AM

SWA to AA
 
Link to another thread for all you plumbers looking to gtfo of this dumpster fire:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/a...28-swa-aa.html

loveislost7M8 08-06-2023 12:39 PM

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"Pilot quality of life is of no benefit to the Company" - SWA

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Flight Delay 08-06-2023 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by loveislost7M8 (Post 3678844)
"Pilot quality of life is of no benefit to the Company" - SWA

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every company believes this.. even AA. We still have better schedules and QOL than they do. Age 67 will hit soon and they will stop hiring. Their 3yr upgrade will go to 5 and ours will sit around 5 as well after the hiring gap. We are also in a much better financial position. I know this is a place to complain but let’s at least be a bit logical.

WHACKMASTER 08-06-2023 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Flight Delay (Post 3678892)
every company believes this.. even AA. We still have better schedules and QOL than they do. Age 67 will hit soon and they will stop hiring. Their 3yr upgrade will go to 5 and ours will sit around 5 as well after the hiring gap. We are also in a much better financial position. I know this is a place to complain but let’s at least be a bit logical.

Bologna on the first half of that.

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jetset 08-06-2023 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3678927)
Bologna on the first half of that.

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Devil's Advocate on this one. Multiple fleet types and regional feed add to better schedules for mainline fleets. We have no regional feed so all that flying is ours which makes for more dense schedules vs the other guys with our network. Especially when they run in in the red. If AA/UAL/DAL had less options they would have pretty crappy schedules too. They do not make the schedules nice because they want to give pilots QOL. If that were the case then TA-1 at UAL and AA would have reflected that notion.

We do not have better schedules and QOL though. That is for certain.

Flight Delay 08-06-2023 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by jetset (Post 3678937)
Devil's Advocate on this one. Multiple fleet types and regional feed add to better schedules for mainline fleets. We have no regional feed so all that flying is ours which makes for more dense schedules vs the other guys with our network. Especially when they run in in the red. If AA/UAL/DAL had less options they would have pretty crappy schedules too. They do not make the schedules nice because they want to give pilots QOL. If that were the case then TA-1 at UAL and AA would have reflected that notion.

We do not have better schedules and QOL though. That is for certain.

our dense schedules give us way more time at home. I had four 3 day AM this month. That gave me 19 full days at home and 8 more that I was there at least part of it. For me that equates to it being better. I don’t want to spend 30hr on overnights all the time. We definitely fly more legs, that’s the trade off.

WHACKMASTER 08-06-2023 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by Flight Delay (Post 3678959)
our dense schedules give us way more time at home. I had four 3 day AM this month. That gave me 19 full days at home and 8 more that I was there at least part of it. For me that equates to it being better. I don’t want to spend 30hr on overnights all the time. We definitely fly more legs, that’s the trade off.

Spot on, and I agree with you. Given equal TFP/hourly pay between SWA and the Big 3, I’d rather be at SWA flying my ass off when I’m at work and enjoying more days off than DLA, UAL or AA.

That said….WB long-haul or especially WB LC reserve is truly where it’s at.

hoover 08-06-2023 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3678991)
Spot on, and I agree with you. Given equal TFP/hourly pay between SWA and the Big 3, I’d rather be at SWA flying my ass off when I’m at work and enjoying more days off than DLA, UAL or AA.

That said….WB long-haul or especially WB LC reserve is truly where it’s at.

remember when we would fly our ass off on a 3 day worth 27 now it's a 3 day worth 22 for the same type of 3 day? 4 days over 32 are almost all gone. And turn lines are full of 6.5. Sept lines that all pay 87.
SRC is right when they say the company doesnt have a manning problem they have an efficiency problem.
we have more pilots with the same amount of planes as we did 4 yrs ago, yet we have 40-50 parked because we dont have enough pilots?
if we want a job in the next 5 yrs at SW we need to make sure we get our rewrite.
The company is going to tank it otherwise

WHACKMASTER 08-06-2023 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 3679037)
remember when we would fly our ass off on a 3 day worth 27 now it's a 3 day worth 22 for the same type of 3 day? 4 days over 32 are almost all gone. And turn lines are full of 6.5. Sept lines that all pay 87.
SRC is right when they say the company doesnt have a manning problem they have an efficiency problem.
we have more pilots with the same amount of planes as we did 4 yrs ago, yet we have 40-50 parked because we dont have enough pilots?
if we want a job in the next 5 yrs at SW we need to make sure we get our rewrite.
The company is going to tank it otherwise

You make some valid and accurate points.

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Zard 08-07-2023 03:00 AM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 3679037)
remember when we would fly our ass off on a 3 day worth 27 now it's a 3 day worth 22 for the same type of 3 day? 4 days over 32 are almost all gone. And turn lines are full of 6.5. Sept lines that all pay 87.
SRC is right when they say the company doesnt have a manning problem they have an efficiency problem.
we have more pilots with the same amount of planes as we did 4 yrs ago, yet we have 40-50 parked because we dont have enough pilots?
if we want a job in the next 5 yrs at SW we need to make sure we get our rewrite.
The company is going to tank it otherwise

they manage. We fly.


Swapa et all need to stop trying to fix management. Just make sure all their stupidity pays us very lucratively after we walk.


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