Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 3723534)

I've always thought it was crappy that years 1-5 lagged the curve.

my opinion hasn't changed just because I moved 3 feet to the left.

Originally Posted by MudhammedCJ (Post 3723570)

So you don't think we should get every other ask first before "fixing" year 1-5 pay? I'm mean... I guess you at least admit to that stupid idea.

Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3723450)

In 2016, we were hemmorhaging 1st year guys, so while everyone got 15% snap-up, the 1st year rate snap-up was 35% IIRC, and the interesting part was that it was the company's idea, not SWAPA's. Stacking the pay increases to year 1-5 is arguably their 50.1% solution given how many we've hired in the past few years. The company is playing the numbers game. They aren't stupid, but they think we are. They're looking to bribe year 1-5 guys and take a few yessies from the top of the pay scale and they've got their 50.1%

The year 1 through 5 guys need to realize that by the time we get the next contract, they'll be at the top of the payscale, their career value sold for very short term gain but long term loss for them, and this time, without the leverage we have right now. This is not to say their pay shouldn't be raised substantially... not by a long shot. But it should not be at the expense of the top of the pay scale range because that's where they're gonna spend anywhere from 2 to 3+ decades. In this environment, it shouldn't an either/or.... with the leverage we have, it should be a grand slam.

Finally, yes... the co-terminal stuff was indeed sprinkles. This is the steak now and this is what matters. If the final rates are "industry-leading 737 rates" but lagging A321XLR, 767 rates, etc, I won't even bother reading the rest before voting no. Put us on ice, DGAF... The entire compensation package needs to be the grand slam, or it's an easy no.

Originally Posted by 6packSteamJedi (Post 3723571)

FO pay is a % of CA pay. The first 5 years that % is going up. Don't worry everything else will also be taken care of. The straight up demons that were running swapa years ago are gone so everyone gets their fair slice. Also TA2 was complete garbage, wtf voted that thing in with all the horrible work rules and disability coverage. Shame on you clowns, you are the reason we are where we are at now.

Originally Posted by MudhammedCJ (Post 3723575)

I figured people would come out of the woodwork. BTW, I voted no for that POS TA. And for the one before it too. What were you flying at the time? Your high chair? If it wasn't for the likes of me, we would have been stuck with TA1 (while I was trying for TA3). Switch to decaf.🤯

Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3723583)

Did you read what you replied to?

Originally Posted by N6279P (Post 3723572)

So now flying a 737 at Southwest should pay equivalent to legacy wide body? :p

Originally Posted by N6279P (Post 3723572)

So now flying a 737 at Southwest should pay equivalent to legacy wide body? :p

Originally Posted by N6279P (Post 3723572)

So now flying a 737 at Southwest should pay equivalent to legacy wide body? :p

Originally Posted by N6279P (Post 3723572)

So now flying a 737 at Southwest should pay equivalent to legacy wide body? :p