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Old 07-29-2011, 11:20 AM   #1  
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The negotiated seniority agreement between SWAPA and ALPA integrates the two master seniority lists and provides a positive seniority list shift for all Southwest pilots. All open captain positions through September 27, 2020 will go to Southwest first officers. This means that 2,622 Southwest first officers will upgrade before the first AirTran first officer upgrades. Please note that all data is given in a no-growth scenario.
1,652 Southwest pilots were placed above the first AirTran pilot. Majority of Southwest first officers are placed above all the AirTran first officers.
Individual Seniority effect:
0% Captain = 0% increase
20 % Captain = 5% increase
40% Captain = 8% increase
60% First Officer = 12% increase
80% First Officer = 12% increase
100% First Officer = 12% increase
The above graph illustrates the TA’s effect on seniority compared to other integration methods.

The graph illustrates the Southwest Airlines pilot seniority increase with the proposed list.
The TA decreases upgrade times for SWA first officers. Prior to 2020, approximately 2,600 SWA first officers are first in line for upgrades due to growth as well as attrition/retirements and aircraft deliveries.
SWA/AIRTRAN SENIORITY INTEGRATION
The integrated seniority list is based on the following :
For pilots as of September 26, 2010:
1,646 most senior SWA pilots;
A segment of 725 SWA pilots ratioed with 116 AirTran pilots, beginning with a block of Southwest pilots;
A segment of 1,215 SWA pilots ratioed with 208 AirTran pilots, beginning with a block of Southwest pilots;
A segment of 2,018 SWA pilots ratioed with 581 AirTran pilots, beginning with a block of Southwest pilots;
A segment of 142 Southwest pilots ratioed with 142 AirTran pilots, beginning with a Southwest pilot;
649 most junior AirTran pilots.
For pilots hired between September 26, 2010 and May 2011:
Pilots hired at SWA;
Pilots hired at AirTran.
Pilots hired on or after May 2, 2011:
Hire date regardless of airline.
Conditions
The agreement also has complex and involved “conditions,” some of which are summarized below:
Pay consideration for Southwest first officers that fly with AirTran captains who are junior to them on the Master Seniority List.
“Retention slots” were created for current AirTran captains. AirTran captains will not be displaced from their seats due to the seniority list integration. When captain slots are vacated by AirTran captains either voluntarily, or through attrition or retirements, the number of retention slots will be permanently reduced. These vacated slots will be filled through upgrades of Southwest first officers.
A provision was made to allow AirTran pilots “vacancy priority” in their current crew base in Atlanta. This vacancy priority does not prohibit SWA pilots from bidding the Atlanta base.
A three-year “equipment lock” was developed for both Southwest and AirTran pilots. This lock will not affect future vacancies which will be awarded based on global seniority.
All AirTran pilots will be ATL-based upon completion of SWA training if there are open vacancies. All other AirTran pilots will be awarded vacancies in the Southwest system in accordance with the Southwest/SWAPA CBA.
No lance captains in ATL or on the 717.
Pay Rate for the 717
The 717 will pay same as the SWAPA rate for 737.
SWAPA CBA Provisions
Routes, Marketing and Connectivity allowances for SWA to operate AirTran during the remainder of transitional period.
Transitional period extended to 30 months from Single Operating Certificate (SOC).
Furlough Provisions
Pilots hired after September 27, 2010 will be furloughed in reverse seniority order. Following, pilots who were on property September 27, 2010 will be furloughed on a 1:1 ratio (1 AirTran pilot: 1 SWA pilot).
Many conditions and/or restrictions immediately expire upon a furlough of any pilot.
The 1:1 furlough ratio provision goes away in 2020.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:24 AM   #2  
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If this is for real, I see zero reason for the FL types to not want to go to arbitration. Yikes!
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Holy Cow! This has to be flamebait.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:53 AM   #4  
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If this is for real, I see zero reason for the FL types to not want to go to arbitration. Yikes!

If this is for real, PG owes the DPMA $100
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Old 07-29-2011, 12:03 PM   #5  
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Looks like total of 1696 Air Tran Guys, with 649 stapled. Looks like they probably integrated enough guys to get the yes votes they need to offset the 649 no votes.
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SWA and AT guys: Use the search function for "AA/TWA integration".

Will give you a read ahead for what's coming.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:16 PM   #7  
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I understand what's going on. The Southwest pilots want the Airtran planes, but not the pilots. The compromise is to throw a bone to the Airtran captains and treat the first officers like new hires.
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Looks like total of 1696 Air Tran Guys, with 649 stapled. Looks like they probably integrated enough guys to get the yes votes they need to offset the 649 no votes.
If they are asking every AT FO to wait 9 years for upgrade, I don't see how it gets over 50%.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:25 PM   #9  
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"All open captain positions through September 27, 2020 will go to Southwest first officers. This means that 2,622 Southwest first officers will upgrade before the first AirTran first officer upgrades."


Ouch! You AT F/O's feelin' the LUV?

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Old 07-29-2011, 01:36 PM   #10  
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This can't be real.
Even if SWA had the leverage to do this, it would start 30 years of hate and discontent in their cockpits.
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