Originally Posted by tsquare

I think it is gonna be difficult for DAL to make any significant gains, especially since as you point out, AA is about to get hammered, which will significantly harm all the other carriers, except for SWA of course... so does that mean you think that SWAPA can actually raise the bar for once?

Originally Posted by JDFlyer

SWA is the bar - today.

You may be entitled to your opinion, but not your facts. Yesterday, is yesterday. Everything ALPA did "yesterday" is moot. All those fat contracts you guys negotiated were meaningless the day you showed up to work under concessionary contracts in bankruptcy.

I am glad we are not a legacy - all "legacy" means anymore is "went bankrupt" and "we outsource our flying to regionals". You may truly feel that Southwest dragged you down yesterday, but Delta and the rest of the legacies are dragging Southwest down TODAY and in the near FUTURE.

(Reminiscing about pay rates 5 or 10 or 15 years ago, is like reminiscing about what a great football player a person was in High School. It just doesn't matter anymore.)

Given the economic realities of today, the attitudes of pilots at the legacies regarding working for less pay, and outsourcing their flying to regional pilots I think we will be lucky to keep our pay rates at Southwest.

Please, TSquare, please, please, please, negotiate a better pay rate than pitiful, old Southwest. Please do better than Southwest plus $1. (I know you "got" yours, being a wide body Captain at Delta. Great. Good for you. Clap, clap, clap, clap. The rest of us are still trying to work our way up the seniority list, feed our families, and put a little money in the bank.)

Originally Posted by Smokey23

We've been holding the bar since ya'll went ch11 and we've seen nothing but enhancements to our contract in the years since. So I'll have to respectfully disagree with your premise....we've raised the bar and are continuing to do so. Hopefully that will continue into this next Sect 6. If the company expects some concessions, they need to post a whole lot worse numbers than our paper loss of last quarter.

Originally Posted by V169

Hard to raise the bar much when all the other kids on the block are paying their wide body international guys as much as SWA is paying guys to do the Texas 2 step.

Originally Posted by V169

No - since the money saved on fuel and MX by flying new jets will keep the bar where it's at or even push it higher. The leverage the company can more easily use is that double breasted van commanders are flying bigger planes and more pax for the same money.